Miguel cotto vs julio cesar chavez who wins and why?

Chavez by KO. Too much pressure, too much chin.

 

No, but Chavez didnt do **** at 147. Frankie Randell beat your boy for christ sake. Randell aint better then Cotto. Cotto has a better jab then Julio. Julio loves to eat them with his face (Pea, Taylor, Randell, Oscar) all showed this. Cotto would stick it out just as much. Now Chavez had one hell of a chin so he wont be going down at all, but at 147 I dont see him beating Cotto. Margo was a huge man in the Cotto fight and it took 11 rounds of nonstop pressure to beat Cotto. But the first 6 rounds he was getting his ass handed over to him. JC, who I am a huge huge fan of, is only 5'7, same as Cotto so I dont see how better he could do then margo.

But like I said, at 140, Chavez wins this.

 

It's not about size or any of that, Torres had Cotto in serious trouble too as did Corley. All it takes is constant pressure and a chin that can take Cotto's shots and there are no doubts at all Chavez had both. As long as you can take his punch and keep throwing all night you will eventually break him down, Cotto doesn't have the best stamina either and the more pressure put on him the more he's forced to throw/move = burn stamina.

 

Agreed

 

First of all, JCC isnt my boy..Im a pretty big Cotto fan and have been since pretty much the start of his career.

As I said even a 140 version of Chavez could beat a welter Cotto, so what Chavez did or didnt do at welter is irrelevant because he was only anywhere near his prime for one title fight he had there.
You just listed 4 fighters who dont fight anything like Miguel, so thats a fail...If anything Cotto fights more like Chavez but is inferior in almost every department. Miguel is only really an average sized welterweight anyway, as you said he is the same height as Julio Really how has he been that much better at welterweight compared to his jnrwelter form that he can turn it around when just a little bit more weight is put on.

Chavez has a better chin, stamina, better overall skills, is more versatile and by the time he reached 140 was far more experienced then Cotto. These are the reasons he does better then Margo and these are the reasons he beats Margarito aswell.

Great fighters like Chavez used to routinely give away large amounts of weight and still easily win...Why? Because if they were that good the size difference was just a minor issue...Chavez is much better than Miguel in almost every way and would have him kneeling at his feet before the final bell.

Both at 140 it would be even quicker.

 

RIP Cotto.

 

Cotto was never beaten by a fighter his size thats what I'm getting at. Margo was hude that night and it still tok him 11 rounds to beat Cotto with the same pressure JC brings. Chavez doesnt like boxers and in this fight Cotto would be more boxer then brawler with the occasional heavy punchers when needed. Cotto looked good backing up in the Shane fight and even won rounds while Shane was coming forward. JC dont have speed in his side so I be hard pressed to give JC rounds when chasing someone that had a jab coming at him. Randell beat JC good. Frankie is not as good as Cotto. Dont tell me that Cotto wouldnt be able to do the same.

I think too many people **** on Cotto cause of ONE loss. Cotto has shown that he can win big fights even when in trouble. JC is not this killer one punch KO guy. And Cotto has shown he can take it pretty good on the chin at 147. Those fights at 140 where he was hurt, everyone knows the deal there. He was weight drain trying to make weight. Everyone knows this. Which is why I said JC beats Cotto at 140.

 

Dude your still dreaming. You have to wake up. JC was slow. Cotto was quicker. JC ate jabs way too much. Cotto has a very good jab. Chavez had troble with movers, Cotto is a better mover then JC. He moved well against Margo, Shane and Clottey and won plenty of rounds while going back. JC had stamina, yes its true, but he also ate too many dam jabs for his own good going forward. Why is it that JC never went up to 147 until the latter stages of his career? Cause he couldnt win fights up there thats why. He knew his limits. And what better overall skills you speak of? JC only knew how to fight one way, thats coming forward and applying pressue. Was he a great fighter? Hell yea, but at 147 I dont see him beating Cotto.

If you wanna say let JC come in at 140 and Cotto at 147 thats fine. But at fight night Cotto would be somewhere around 154 or higher. Not good for JC.

 

jcc wins this one,late rounds stoppage

 

chavez

 

I'm a Cotto fan and never **** on him because of one loss. I've always said since the Torres fight that Cotto won't be able to handle pressure well and it was obvious, the Margarito fight confirmed it. Size matters when a fighter USES his size to his advantage, like his reach and so on. Margarito never fought like a tall fighter, he was tall fighting short, never took advantage of his height because of his style. Paul Williams is a guy who fights tall and takes advantage of his physical advantages, Margarito just charges forward and throws predictable punches and doesn't know how to cut off the ring either.

I'll stick with my prediction, Chavez is far too aggressive for Cotto and that's something Cotto can't handle well, his poor defense doesn't help him either.

 

You are basically comparing Cotto to Sweet Pea because Chavez got well beaten by him...There is so many things wrong with that I dont know where to begin.
Cotto doesnt have the skill, lateral movement, stamina or jab of Sweet Pea and it aint even close.

You continue to show your ignorance on Chavez...You really need to go watch some of his fights again, or maybe for the first time its seems.
You are actually trying to paint Chavez as a simpleton brawler...when its obvious he was so much more. He possesed impressive infighting skill, applied intelligent pressure and had an underrated defence.
The reason he didnt fight much at 147 is because he was getting to the tailend of his career and when he tried he was beaten by better fighters then Miguel. Its really of little consequence because as I have said time and time again Chavez is good enough to give away weight to Cotto and still beat him.

The basis of your argument seems to be that you think Cotto has improved by such a huge amount moving up to welterweight, the result is going to be different from a fight between them at 140. As someone who has watched a lot of Cotto fights I think the improvement is marginal and only appears to be significant because in his last couple of fights at 140 he was struggling with the weight.
I dont think he looks all that much better then his impressive early reign at jnr welter.
Lets not forget that 3 of Cotto's welter fights have been against blokes who have moved up from jnr welter or lower at some point.
If he couldnt put away Urkal, then he wont be putting away Chavez...If he got tired and took rounds of against Mosley, the same will be happening against Chavez..If he got rocked and almost dropped by Judah, then Chavez could do the same.