Miguel Cotto's trainer says Floyd is "Normal Boxer"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Midwest_Chopper, Feb 21, 2012.


  1. Midwest_Chopper

    Midwest_Chopper Shalom Full Member

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    You can watch the fight live and see Cotto was being tagged. He has no head movement and when he gets hit he freezes up and does that weird shell guard which leads him to take more punishment. You can see in Cottos face post fight he was takin punishment.

    As for compubox in comparison a younger fresher mayo landed 16% of his powerpunches against Mosley.

    Cotto has defensive deficiencies it cant be denied.

    Margarito? Sorry being able to twist and turn margarito is no amazing feet. He made pacquiao look like a boxing wizard in their fight. Pacquiao who for many who is ineffective going backwards. Comparing turning a Margarito who looked horrid is last 3 fights is no feat. Maybe if Cotto has done it against a Lara, Molina, kirkland or Alvarez id give his improvements more weight.

    When in their fight did Marquez show any fatigue? He threw 583 punches in that fight. Against pacquiao recently he threw 436. No evidence of fatigue.


    Marquez is far and away the more skilled fighter then Cotto. And Mosley has something Cotto has never had a right hand. Its well known that the left hook his useless against Floyds defense.

    if Cotto allows Mayweather to initiate hell get eaten alive. Floyd has. Massive reach advantage, aswell boxing skill and speed. There has never been a fighter to box Floyd and not get ripped to pieces. Cotto is not the best boxer Floyd has fought.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    You're clearly exaggerating his flaws and dismissing an array of fighters at once just to give your argument weight. You imply Pacquiao has little boxing skill, Cotto has no head movement, Floyd can't get with left hooks (DLH, Augustus,) and turning Margarito is so easy anybody can do it. And you keep bringing up Mayorga, while I'm talking about his improvements against Margarito under Pedro Diaz, who strongly reinforced his fundamentals (stance, guard, right hand). A sharpened knife is a sharpened knife, whether it's cutting a tomato or a throat. Cotto's lateral movement has improved tremendously, and it remains a fact that Floyd as an aggressor has never had to deal with a functionally mobile opponent.
     
  3. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never realized how much people underestimate Floyd and his ability. That's good. I don't want to hear any excuses when he takes Cotto to school on May 5th.
     
  4. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    So man, what's with the (e) when typing Cotto? I see you and a few others do it. Is it some type of inside joke or reference to something? The pronunciation of Cotto's name?
     
  5. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Wait a minute...so let me get this straight, this is considered trash talking and disrespect now....lmfao! calling someone "normal" is now considered spitting venom lololol! You guys are like the poparatzi or some cheap tabloid writer trying to add hyperbole to his column.
     
  6. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Yes we will remember you and your bold prediction :good (Sarcasim)

    Also I do beleive those above mentioned fighters would give Cotto hell, I also beleive Cotto has the tools to beat all the fighters mentioned above is all about execution and desire, none of those guys have the exp and technical ability that Cotto has so they would be intresting bouts.
     
  7. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    :mad:
     
  8. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Again, the fact that responses such as this have to be said on a boxing forum unexcusable
     
  9. Liu Jian

    Liu Jian New Member Full Member

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    You also can't compare Margarito's footspeed and ability to cut off the ring to Mayweather's. In both fights Margarito spent considerable time following Cotto instead of cutting off the ring. Floyd uses lateral movemnt much more effectively, and his lead left hook is almost as effective as his straight right.

    IMO Floyd winning by KO is more likely than Cotto winning by decision.
     
  10. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Though, I dont compare how different fighters fared against a common opponent as a prediction of what aould happen if these same 2 fighters fought, I have to agree here. Cotto is probaly the only fighter I would be happy for if they beat Floyd (can't help it I have been watching Floyd since his 1st fight) but I defintiely think Floyd will stop him (yes at 154) by KO or TKO.
     
  11. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If someone is being underestimated here is Cotto, people here compare fighters like they would cars by just reading a brochure. Pedro Diaz will be a key element here in that we dont know what he will turn Miguel into for this fight. He clearly took a slow paced workman type jabber (Miguel under Steward) and gave him improved movement,conditioning and tactics with a live right hand. For all his greatness, Floyd is not without flaws and any experienced trainer would be a fool not to acknowledge that.
     
  12. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    True
     
  13. Capitan

    Capitan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn Straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :good
     
  14. Sir Koolkid

    Sir Koolkid Active Member Full Member

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    all the people boosting cotto as if he has a chance, well i would like to say thank you because without you floyd's victory on may 5th is worthless. Keep up the cotto hope.

    I do love the noob boxing fans who think cotto's win over margarito means something. Margarito wasn't even ranked in the top 10 of the 154 division and never did have great skills just a great chin with great hand wraps. Margarito has terrible footwork its amateurish. His defense is crap too. Cotto will find it hard to land on the most defensive fighter to ever live, everyone always does. It's not hard to beat the margarito which cotto fought, even guys on the forum could of gave cotto that game plan. Circle around margarito, tie him up on the inside, use your angles and do what you normally do cotto and you win. It was a simple fight to be won nothing special was needed to beat him. Diaz is being overrated. He's out of his depth in this one. He can talk the talk but he wont walk the walk. If pacquiao beat cotto then we should all know for sure than floyd does.

    Cotto is looking slow and i don't see him being able to catch floyd for most of the fight and i defo think floyd's game plan to beat cotto will be easier to make vs a fighter who's weakness's are blueprinted for everyone while cotto has to create a game plan from scratch to beat floyd. There's no blue print to follow. Nacho, Roach, Naz are so of the best trainers in the world and they didn't come close to beating floyd with there game plan. It's a different story when your in the ring with floyd. You just can't plan/prepare for some of the things he brings. He's under estimated and comments like 'normal' are an example of it. Floyd can do things which no one on the planet can do so i can't agree with him being called normal or just a man. He's special.
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Floyd can cut off a ring well, but if there's one dimension he lacks, it's the ability to change the angle. He circles and pivots out of corners well enough, but he has habituated himself to largely fighting in straight lines. And if you watch, Garcia actually had Margarito cutting off the ring pretty well, and more relentlessly than Floyd will ever try to. I'm not saying Cotto would dominate Floyd circling out, but the fact remains: Floyd hasn't tried to pressure a mobile fighter that can work off an offensive going laterally.