Mijares fans, an interesting bit of nonsense here with the scoring of Mijares bouts.

Okay guys, no comedic hyping involved with this thread, just a look at some odd scoring mishaps and some views on them with Cristian Mijares fights and how they now stand on paper due to scoring issue's.

Let's take a look at some oddities -

First of all, Mijares vs. Navarro was the strangest -

Chris Wilson 115-113 | judge: Doug Tucker 108-120 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 117-111

* The Doug Tucker score was initially thought to be a card error, but these get corrected if that's the case and it has not been corrected. This is the worst score I've ever seen as he had it 12-0 Navarro. Adailade Byrd had it 117-111, which is a spot on score, an experienced judge getting it correct and then Chris Wilson had it 115-113 for Mijares, which is very off in the same right.

The correct scoring of the fight by general consensus was either 117-111 Mijares or 118-110 Mijares, so we have a radical scoring mishap with Doug Tucker's 120-108 Navarro and Chris Wilson's 115-113 Mijares.


Mijares vs. Kawashima 2 -

Max DeLuca 87-84 | judge: Chuck Hassett 89-82 | judge: Malcolm Bulner 86-85

* I've seen the full fight and by the 10th round had it clearly 7 rounds to 2 for Mijares, which translates into 88-83, two judges had it around the fair area there and then the third had it scored as if it was a very contested bout, which it was only in spots.

But, Japan is notable for bad decisions and this and the first Kawashima bout are easily explained because of this, but I have it noted because of the varying scores, despite decisively won rounds.


Mijares vs. Lopez -

Jerry Venzor 118-109 | judge: Oren Schellenberger 117-110 | judge: Jerry Venzor 116-111

*I'm assuming that the two Jerry Venzor's is a technical error by Boxrec, but we have 1 judge scoring it 10 rounds to 2, another 9 rounds to 3 and another 8 rounds to 4. If anybody has seen this one, they know that in fact the correct score was 12 rounds to 0.

A scoring mishap again, with the 8 to 4 just being ridiculous.


Mijares vs. Maldonado -

Herminio Cuevas Collazo 115-115 | judge: Jose Juan Garcia 114-114 | judge: Raúl Durán Ramos 118-115

* This is a strange set of scorecards here, I think it's safe to say that these inexperienced judges are very poor at scoring fights and this could very easily explain the draw to Maldonado on Mijares' record.

The oddity is 115-115, which translates 5 rounds a piece and two 10-10 rounds. Then 6-6 for the 2nd judge, but then 118-115?

Has anybody ever seen a bout scored 118-115 and how does this relate to 5-5-2 and 114-114? Did the guy who scored it 118-115 get somewhere near the right area, or is this more incompetence?

118-115 translates to 5-2-5, awkward.


Mijares vs. Arce -

judge: Duane Ford 119-109 | judge: Mark Green 118-110 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 117-111

* More judging incompetence because Arce maybe got 1 round even, which Duane Ford giving him a sympathy round is forgivable, but 2 of the rounds in particular had Arce getting thrashed up and down the ring, the 12th comes to mind, and Arce getting stunned and giving nothing in return and those rounds should have been scored 10-8.

A correct scoring of this fight would have been at least 1 of the rounds a 10-8 for a 119-108, so Duane Ford had it right.

But Kaczmarek somehow gifts Arce two extra rounds?

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Now of course some people say 'what is the big deal, he won the fights', the big deal is that it dirty's up his paper resume with permanent error's. Navarro getting an 'SD' was ridiculous when he was dominated, then random scoring's all over the place making those fights on paper seem contested when they aren't.... and I think we have an explanation for that Maldonado draw there also.

So, is it something about his style that has judges giving rounds that were decisively lost to the loser of the round? Oddball scoring all over the place when he's been dominating and decisively beating everyone lately.

I also think we've found the culprit for those early decision losses in Mexico, as they were bottom level fights, suspect to say the least but it again dirty's a fighter's paper resume up, completely unfair.

****This goes for any fighter who had particularly messed up scoring's that are oddly all over the place consistently, not talking about robberies, just bad scoring's.

What do you think about this issue and if you have a problem with Mijares, just think of the issue as if it was partaining to 'exhibit A' fighter.

 

Yeah, you bring up the style and intangible thing for the judges, but let's use Arce and Navarro getting beaten badly here, very badly in the case of Arce.

Mijares is not featherfisted, he hurts opponents consistently and really busts them up but just can't produce those highlight reel KO's and tends to fight guys with good chins. But he did beat Kawashima up badly in the 2nd fight while fighting Kawashima's fight, then lands a vicious left hook which puts Kawashima down and soon finished him off for the TKO.

In retrospect, Munoz, a guy with a great KO record and a solid resume at 115, could not stop or beat Kawashima as decisively. Odd enough, the scores for the fight were not off, I personally had it 7 to 5 for Munoz.

I don't get where it would be a style or intangible thing and in my opinion, anytime a fight is scored incorrectly on a unanimous regard, even for the winner, it's a robbery because that goes on record, it's not just a Mijares thing and scoring has me irritated lately.

It's just very odd that he's had so many scoring mishaps in wins, there are several others that I didn't even list such as his bout vs. Rojas, which had 119-110 and then two 119-114's, I mean... what is that?

But are you with me on these consistent scoring problems possibly being the culprit of the draw vs. Maldo and then those early losses at the low level Mexican club scene? After viewing some of these scores, with the Mexican level judges being the worst, I can't trust the paper score and we have no video. It would just be great if we had the video, because if we had no video of Navarro-Mijares, everyone would assume it was a contested bout, Mijares could possibly be legitimately* undefeated depending on how wrong fights have been scored.

 

Navarro threw 1300 punches and landed 1 out of every 10 basically for a landed amount closer to 120 I believe, that's a good display of defence for a guy who throws at the workrate Mijares does, Mijares also landed the more effective blows consistently and generally outlanded Navarro in every round.

Mijares' final blows landed was around 350 out of 800+, excellence. Take that into consideration, 120 out of 1300 is a very low amount landed and he rolls with them so they don't land fully flush as well.

All of that included, there's no way to even score the bout close at 115-113 like the one judge had it.

 

Actually Selfkill, here's a stub off of an official report on a website, the report was actually about suspension of Doug Tucker, but the commission defended Tucker -

Mijares kept his title by split decision, even though Tucker gave all 12 rounds to Navarro, scoring it 120-108. Byrd had Mijares winning 117-111, and Wilson scored it 115-113 for Mijares.
The final Punchstats showed Navarro was the busier fighter, throwing 1,222 punches. But he landed a far lower percentage, 15 percent to Mijares' 30 percent, and Navarro was beaten to a bloody pulp. Yet Tucker, who is from Phoenix, had Navarro pitching a 12-round shutout.

So Navarro landed at 15%, that's a great display of defence to keep numbers that low and here is the link to the website page I found this off of -

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/15919097.html

 

Yeah, but what I was saying is how many fighters of a high workrate get their opponents, whom are reasonably accurate boxers like Navarro, to land at a ridiculously low 15%?

I don't think we can expect any better than that unless he literally goes into a safety first jabbing dominanted style.

Mayweather is the best defender in the game now, but part of his game is keeping the workrate on both ends to be low, when he used to throw at a higher workrate and was fighting good opponents, he'd get hit more than he does now as more shots were thrown. Against Hatton he kept the workrate to a minimum and Hatton only landed 53 punches out of 200 thrown or so, which is 25% or so, if you get what I mean.

 

The 120-108 is a real oddity though.

Some bad ones in particular are 117-111 against Arce, Arce maybe got 1 out of sympathy that could be justified.

115-113 against Navarro is silly, look at the punchstats and watch the individual rounds, Navarro can be give 3 tops, 2 to Navarro is just as fair, but that Chris Wilson gave him 5, impossible for that.

86-85 against Kawashima is a **** score in the rematch.

116-111 against Lopez is just ridiculous!

And what in the hell are these 118-115's, 119-114's down in Mexico?

 

I wish we had video, because aren't those Mexican scoring's very suspect, even the one's that he won? And then the draw scores against Maldo?

What do you think about those scores and the general inconsistency with his career in decisive wins and oddball scorings PimpC?