Mijares Vs. Santa Cruz

hoopsman · Jan 13, 2014

lencoreastside said: ↑

You can over-analyse about LSCs power all you want , Buttsy. You make it sound as if Leo deliberately prolongs his fights by choice, almost as if it is some kind of recreational exercise he is engaging in. Personally I prefer to think the truth is a lot simpler. If Leo isn't koing these weak old smaller opponents -It's because he can't. Simple as, end of.
Any boxer I ever heard of would rather carry a sack of coal up a mountain than prolong a fight one minute longer than necessary.

Compare and contrast with Carl, whose last two opponents are big strong young fresh natural super bantams. Two clean kos. One with the left, one with the right. One to the head, one to the body.
When are we going to see some of THAT from Leo, eh?

If Leo was able to, he would be doing similar. Particularly against the physically frailer guys he is facing. He isn't - not by choice, but simply because he can't.

Of course I do realise that power is one factor that comes into it, but nevertheless let's not beat around the bush. Frampton is the puncher here, not LSC.
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Well said, my transatlantic cousin.

Frampton has better foot and hand speed as well. Both guys are solid defensively.

fytelod · Jan 13, 2014

not sold on leo yet so mijares here, the tested tough veteran

lencoreastside · Jan 14, 2014

fytelod said: ↑

not sold on leo yet so mijares here, the tested tough veteran
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Well, you could describe him like that - or- you could say the tired old small shopworn typical Leo Santa Cruz opponent!

Kush · Jan 14, 2014

Mijares is god

Jk LSC by KO

Pimp C · Jan 14, 2014

RIP Mijares:deal

lencoreastside · Jan 14, 2014

Pimp C said: ↑

RIP Mijares:deal
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RIP Leos credibility if he doesnt get a move on and fight someone with a pulse! :-(

PIPO23 · Jan 14, 2014

Mijares has always been overrated in my book but that said he only lost by KO to the great Darchinyan.

However at this stage of their careers i don't think Mijares can ward off the younger bull.

garfios · Jan 16, 2014

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Don't underestimate those qualities. Not everybody needs to be slick or fast-handed to be highly effective at even the elite tier.

As for being a killer puncher, well that's in the way that he is habituated to execute his game. He throws high volume, it's his thing. He deliberately lessens up and doesn't sit down on everything so he can throw more of it and with fewer gaps in between. Most people haven't been following LSC for very long so I've seen a lot of comments about his power being average or even below. Not so. When he sits down on shots, trust me, he does have 1-punch KO power. That just isn't what he is setting out to do. His goal is to drown you in leather applying steady educated pressure working the body and head - and that's what he does. He lets the natural heaviness of his hands show through in the accumulated damage that goes along with his nonstop persistent attack. I would say he is pound-for-pound heavier-handed than prime Margarito, or than Rios is now. (Rios loads up on more bombs and thus comes across more like a KO artist, but he does also fall in love with volume swatting and battering foes down with heavy-handed spray-n-pray...the major difference being that Rios is usually wild and sloppy while LSC is controlled and purposeful...)

I think perhaps the most intriguing thing about Rigondeaux vs. Santa Cruz is that despite his ring IQ we might see Rigondeaux fall for the oldest trick in the book...the original okey-doke.
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Rigondeaux would have a field day at first with Santa Cruz trudging forward with softball lobs, batting close to a thousand with counter-punchers while outmaneuvering him. Sooner or later, though,
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...I can stand to absorb a couple and give my legs a reprieve" - and that is when he and the doubters will discover just how light a hitter LSC isn't.

As far as Mijares is concerned, I love the dude and have been stoked to see him nip and tuck his way back into contention after that nasty skid that began with being KTFO by Darchinyan and continued with back to back robbery losses to Cermeno. Stopping the last remotely good version of Rafa Marquez and then outmatching Terrazas (but getting screwed on the cards once more) showed his amazing longevity and resiliency after such a long road with so many twists and turns in the last decade. Even so, his peak was down at super fly, and LSC is not only bigger and stronger but I'd say a better overall fighter in 2014 than was Darchinyan in 2008. They're completely different looks stylistically and different stances (and Mijares was actually still near the height of his game back in '08; Darchinyan was just a sip of the wrong poison...styles make fights...) but LSC brings tons of pressure and Mijares can't navigate the ring consistently all night quite like he used to...and unlike with VD will be giving up advantages in both height and reach making him that much easier to walk down and grind up. Eventually they're going to scrap up close and when they do, Cristian is just too small, too old, and too run down in spite of having shown really nice form and refusing to go quietly into that goodnight lately.
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The red and bold, ain't happening, if he try to swarm Rigondeaux he will get ktfo, Rigondeuax will never get complacent or will fall for any "old" trick...

Txomo · Jan 17, 2014

I think LSC would pull an "Agbeko" against Rigo: throw 20 punches/round.

When Rigo connects the other fighter three or four times with the straight left in the first round... they start to think too much before letting their hands go. Agbeko, Donaire... they threw less punches than Rigo in their fights. I could view this happening in a LSC fight.

Unfortunately whe have the SHO/HBO factor here.

paddymickey · Jan 17, 2014

IntentionalButt said: ↑

I'm yet to be convinced that a prime Frampton is all that much greater a threat for LSC than a faded Mijares. :yep
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Would you give Kiko Martinez a shot at beating LSC?

aussie opinion · Jan 17, 2014

Hasn't been the same since darchinyan exposed him

IntentionalButt · Jan 17, 2014

aussie opinion said: ↑

Hasn't been the same since darchinyan exposed him
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Exposed? :roll:

IntentionalButt · Jan 17, 2014

paddymickey said: ↑

Would you give Kiko Martinez a shot at beating LSC?
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I would heavily favor Leo.

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