Mike Jacobs Was Reluctant To Match Louis With Black Challengers

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  1. mcvey

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    Joe Louis in his autobiography "Joe Louis My Life ," said his promoter Mike Jacobs was reluctant to match him with black challengers.Louis stated the reason was purely financial as Jacobs did not think 2 blacks fighting for the heavy crown would draw.
    According to Louis, it was himself pushing for a title defence against John Henry Louis which finally convinced Jacobs to agree to the match.
    "Gus Greenlee Lewis' manager,was driving Mike crazy wanting to make a match.
    Greenlee was saying that I was afraid to fight John Henry.But I wanted the fight everybody did only Mike was hesitating about it.
    Remember Greenlee's black,and so is John Henry.
    Mike had no prejudice about a man's color,so long as he could make a green buck for him,but Mike had doubts about two black fighters drawing a big gate."

    "John Henry was a good friend of mine and I wanted the match .
    The black press was pushing for it too.
    Hell ,let some other really good black fighter make some money too.
    John Henry,his manager and everything around him was black.
    That means they were almost automatically kept away from the big money.
    But believe me, now I had got the power and the glory,neither Mike Jacobs nor anybody else was going to refuse me.
    I told Mike sign it up and Mike signed it up."

    The following is interesting I think.

    "Another reason I wanted the fight was because John Henry was suing the NY Boxing Commission.They had vacated his title because he refused to fight any of the challengers they had offered.
    At that time the NY State recognized a southpaw ,name of Melio Bettina as champion.Mike, who was good friends with the guys in the commission,covinced them that he could stop the legal action by giving John Henry a money making fight with me,so it was green lights all the way."

    Let's look at Jacobs reluctance to match 2 blacks for the title ,and his stated reason that they would not draw a big gate. For comparison
    In the 1930's ,in the middle of the Depression Louis got the following purses.
    1935
    June 25 Primo Carnera.$60.433
    August 7 King Levinsky.$53,742
    Sept 24 Max Baer.$240,833
    Dec 13 Paulino Uzcudun .$39.612

    1936
    Jun19 Max Schmeling .$140,959
    Aug 17th Jack Sharkey.$36, 506
    Sept 22 Al Ettore. $52,897

    1937
    Jan27 Bob Pastor,$ 36,000 This fight became known as "Bobs bicycle act," Pastor ran all night just happy to last the distance.Here are the score cards. 8-2,6-3,8-1.
    The above were all non title bouts and all the opponents were white.

    1937
    All title defences.
    Aug 30th Tommy Farr.$102,578

    1938
    All title defences
    Feb 22 Nathan Mann.$40,522
    Jun22 Max Schmeling.$349,228

    1939
    All title defences
    Jan23 JOHN HENRY LEWIS. $34,313
    April 17 Jack Roper. $34,850
    Jun28 Tony Galento, $114,332
    Sep 20 Bob Pastor.$118,400
    Obviously these are just a few of Louis' defences but I think they illustrate that ,regrettably Jacobs had a point.
    Moving forward to;
    1941
    All title defences
    May 23 Buddy Baer.$36,866
    Jun18th Billy Conn.$ 152,905
    Sep29 Lou Nova $199,500

    1942 Louis defends his title twice for training expenses ,donating his purses to the Army and Navy Relief Funds.
    Jan9 Buddy Baer.$65,200
    Mar 27 Abe Simon.$45,882
    Louis inactive in the Army,his title frozen
    1946
    All title defences
    Jun18 Billy Conn.$ 625,916

    1947
    Dec 5 JERSEY JOE WALCOTT.$75,968 Black Challenger

    1948 JERSEY JOE WALCOTT.$252 ,522 Black Challenger. Rematch of a their first fight which featured a highly controversial decision in Louis' favour.
    1949 March 1st Louis retires.

    1950 Louis makes comeback.
    Sep27 Ezzard Charles.$102,840 Black Champion v ex black champion

    1951
    Oct26 Rocky Marciano.$132,736 Non title fight.Louis' last fight
    Apologies for such a long post ,but I feel it is necessary to examine the circumstances and reasons for the decisions Mike Jacobs made regarding Louis and defences against black challengers.

    NB Both Richard Bak's book on Louis,"The Great Black Hope." and Louis own autobiography classify the Roscoe Toles 1935 April27 bout as a real fight ,Louis ko'd Toles in 6rds for a purse of $1,250.
    A side note.
    Louis gave exhibitions with many black fighters, here are just some of them.
    Harry Wills
    Tiger Jack Fox
    Jimmy Bivins
    Big Boy Brown
    Nino Valdes Louis ko'd Valdes in their 2nd exhibition
    Bill Gilliam
    Curtiss Sheppard
    Clarence Henry
    Elmer Ray Louis ko'd Ray in the 4th rd of their 3 rd exhibition Louis was retired by then.
     
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  2. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting too to see how many white fighters Ali fought.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And many other heavyweight champs!
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali was really hyping Chuvalo up in 1965 just because he felt a defence against a white contender would draw.

    Ali faced all the viable white contenders, and some not so viable in his second reign. Rematches against Cooper, Chuvalo, Quarry and Bugner. He knew they made for a good gate.
     
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  5. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    The memories of a certain Jack Arthur Johnson, likely to have been a factor also.
    Mr Louis with 'guidance' presented himself well to white folk, i cannot imagine Mike Jacobs wanted any risk of a coloured gent presenting in a uppity manner, Louis was marketed carefully.

    Mr Louis of course opened the door for coloured fighters to fight and indeed again win the heavyweight title, so coloured fighters had much to be grateful to him for.
     
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  6. Jason Thomas

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    Lots of great information.

    Thanks for sharing.

    The idea that the Toles bout was an exhibition and the stated reason, not wanting Louis to possibly lose prior to fighting Carnera, doesn't actually make much sense. Everyone knew about the fight. Would the technical classification have made much difference if Louis lost? The press would have been all over it either way.

    *The info about John Henry Lewis and his lawsuit makes me wonder about his eye condition. It has been posted that this injury went back to 1935. Lewis had been fighting often through the next few years with no one apparently caring as long as he played ball with the boxing establishment. When he started causing trouble, did they use the eye injury as an excuse to blackball him?

    And what impact did Lewis having black management have on this decision?

    Nino Valdes when he was forced to retire also said he had his eye condition for years and no one had stopped him from fighting.
     
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  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks for the informative post regarding the purse amounts for Louis’s bouts. And the information seems to jive with what I have read on the Toles bout. And yes Louis fought a load of exhibitions vs black contemporaries and he always won.
     
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  8. choklab

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    I’m reminded of what a huge draw Lou Nova was. Only the Schmeling rematch drew more!
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    As usual cogent questions.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Anyone seeking to disparage Louis' defence against John Henry Lewis on the grounds of Lewis' eye problem,might do well to recall that when Wladimir Klitschko fought Lamon Brewster in2007 Brewster's licence was suspended in the US on medical grounds because Brewster was suffering from impaired vision.The fight was held in Cologne Germany
    Source Thomas Hauser. "Boxing Is"
     
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  11. mcvey

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    See my later post on Lewis and his eye problem.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I recall Sugar Ray was about to finally get a title shot at 147. Tommy Bell was the opponent. According to Ray the promoter (I don't know if it was Jacob's) brought in 5 of the top sportswriters at the time to check the weather regarding having two black boxers matched for the title. This was 1946.
    Bell was a worthy opponent and they gave their approval.
     
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  13. janitor

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    I will take the opportunity to rank them by gate, with the ones where Louis was not defending in red:

    1. Conn II
    2. Schmeling II
    3. Walcott II
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    5. Nova
    6. Conn I
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    8. Pastor II
    9. Galento
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    11. Farr

    It seems that the rematches where the challenger had give Louis a good fight in the previous outing were the biggest draws.

    The second Conn fight is by far the biggest draw of the lot.

    Bob's bicycle act doesn't seem to have dampened public interest in a rematch.

    It is also interesting that Galento comfortably makes the top ten, ahead of a lot of very capable and qualified challengers.
     
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  14. janitor

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    I suspect that the huge gate of the second Walcott fight, might have put the final nail in the coffin of the intransigence.
     
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  15. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Interesting thread. Thank you all for the input. Curious argument whether how much the colour line was a black contender not drawing or racism but I take each hypothetical separately.


    Then along w facing Walcott n Charles Im sure he also helped other black Americans while in service too.
     
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