Mike McCallum - Carlos Monzon.?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Oct 5, 2020.


Who takes it?

  1. McCallum?

    20.0%
  2. Monzon?

    80.0%
  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,606
    36,186
    Jan 8, 2017
    15 rounds for the middleweight championship of the world.
    Carlos v The Body snatcher.
    Both at their very best at the weight, who wins?
     
  2. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    2,065
    1,880
    Feb 23, 2020
    McCallum, more skilled, better defense, equal jab, more varied arsenal and better body attack. Better workrate too
     
    Fergy, Bronze Tiger and Devon like this.
  3. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,705
    2,882
    Aug 12, 2012
  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,984
    19,025
    Oct 4, 2016
    Monzon would grind McCallum up and stop him late.
     
    Richard M Murrieta likes this.
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    27,131
    44,903
    Mar 3, 2019
    Monzon wide UD. He's better, and would control the distance with his superior jab and make sure that McCallum can't work at his preferred distance.

    It'd probably be really ****ing boring.
     
  6. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,593
    2,745
    Sep 25, 2020
    McCallum was older at MW. His talent was insane but it's Monzon's natural weight class.
     
    Richard M Murrieta likes this.
  7. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,593
    2,745
    Sep 25, 2020
    This. Beyond unwatchable.
     
    Man_Machine and George Crowcroft like this.
  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,739
    4,477
    Jul 14, 2009
    The thing with Monzon is that he never looked impressive on film to me. Mc Callum looks like the more skilled fighter om film. That being said, I am going with Monzon by close points win because he must have been efficient in his own ways.Not with a lot of confiidence though.
     
  9. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    Mike would be competitive through 8, but rounds 9-15 Monzon really takes over and separates himself.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    Monzon was more impressive in the first Griffith fight than any McCallum performance.
     
  11. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,443
    5,631
    Dec 31, 2018
    Monzon fought in same day weigh ins, he was coming in the same weight and McCallum would’ve been coming in the ring at at least 170lbs because he fought in before day weigh ins on top of that, the gap in skilled vast, Monzon is a basic fighter who relied on his physical advantages and relied on fighters fighting his slow paced fight at range and controlling the fight and McCallum wouldn’t allow that l, he would figure him out early and outbox him, he is way more versatile
     
  12. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,739
    4,477
    Jul 14, 2009
    I mean on film, he does not impress me that much. His punches seem to be slow/ predictable and he pulls straight back from punches.He is a master of ring general ship, distance and the jab. But overall Mike is the more versatile and skilled fighter overall in my opinion.This does not mean he would win head to head though, With Monzon, there must be more to it, I might be missing something,
     
    Minotauro and Devon like this.
  13. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,690
    9,881
    Jun 9, 2010
    I think this is a close contest for a good while. McCallum's movement and how he blends this with his offensive is not an easy thing to deal with; enough for Monzon to make a cautious start. Perhaps a tentative chess match type of affair, during the first half, unraveling a bit during the second.

    Monzon being a 15-round campaigner, however, will not miss an opportunity to slow McCallum down. I think Monzon's strength would tell at close quarters and those straight right hands on McCallum would accumulate wear and tear, at range. He'll be backing McCallum up by round 8 and landing with more regularity down the home straight.

    McCallum survives the distance, but this is mere consolation.

    Comfortable decision win for Monzon.
     
  14. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    Well to be fair, McCallum also fought a good deal of 15 round fights. So Monzon isn't the only 15 round fighter here.

    Monzon definitely had better stamina than McCallum though.

    I think the fact that McCallum didn't have all time great stamina would hurt him against a Monzon, Hagler, or Hopkins - three guys who did have all time great stamina.
     
  15. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,690
    9,881
    Jun 9, 2010
    Agreed, on all fronts. It's kind of what I meant by Monzon being a "15-round campaigner", in that his conditioning and approach tended to be geared towards a distance strategy. He would show a still calm no matter the opponent, eventually catching up with them in most cases. Although, he went the full 15, five times.

    McCallum went 15 on only one occasion, as far as I can recall (Mannion), relying on his ability to get the job done inside the distance, which he was more than apt to do with his sharp offensive skills and power at 154. To the best of my knowledge, he never competed in a 15-round contest at 160 (?)

    To be fair to McCallum, however, he did maintain his composure, in his distance battle with Mannion. But, as you suggest, Monzon's engine was superior.