Mike Moorer vs. Jack Johnson

Who cares? this never happened

 

and yet, you'd still likely pick Johnson to up the pressure and maul Moore to a victory

 

I have no proof he can do that against such a technically sound boxer who carries dynamite in both hands.

And again, I am supposing a fit and trained Moorer not the indifferent one we saw more often as his career matured.

 

I feel like we have all had these conversations a million times when comparing fighters to each that fought in completely different era and under different rules. I have a ton of respect for Jack Johnson for what he accomplished and he was no doubt the best of his era but I trust my eyes. When I watch film of both fighters and consider the opponents they fought fought I see Moorer and most modern heavyweight champions winning. Again, not a knock of Johnson at all or what he accomplished. I am talking strictly boxing not impact on the sport.

 

It is worth mentioning that O'Brien's trainer was giving him a special black bottle "The one I mix" he is quoted as saying to another corner-person and that another man said it was probably azmar medication to "open up the lungs" and that this same trainer was later banned for life from fights because he supposedly took the padding out of a Mexican dude's gloves or jock or something like that. So that you could really feel the hard bone underneath, poking out, dangerously. So, that whole O'Brien thing is really suspicious.

 

I heard that it was really the effects of the drugs he was taking which explains how he was able to suspiciously totally recovered after this supposedly dangerous heart condition and unretire.

 

Johnson looks ancient. I highly doubt he'd keep up with the movement of Moorer, and he wouldn't have a size advantage to help out-box Michael. That angle is awkward for someone to overcome, especially when the guy who's across the squared-circle is very very capable. How many southpaws did Johnson fight? He'd be flummoxed by Moorer. Moorer ices him with a shot Johnson doesn't see coming.

 

This is what I think, actually there's no reason to think Moorer goes 15

 

You are entiled to your opinion. The historical importance of what Jack Johnson accomplished goes without saying. With that said, there is good footage of both fighters available on youtube. I would encourage anyone to watch the footage of both men and base their opinion on that. Watch the Jonhnson that was dropped by a much smaller Ketchel vs a Moorer that beat Holyfield or even the loss to Foreman when his was winning up until getting clocked by probably the greatest puncher of all time.

I don't have either man even close to top ten all time based on ability but based on skill alone I believe Moorer to be better but from a historical standpoint Johnson far and away had more impact on the sport.

 

I don't think you value the cat like speed and reflexes Johnson could fight at when he wanted. There times when he wants to get aggressive and he gets there quickly and effectively and just starts mauling the guy. If the rules are set back in Jack's time, you're right, at first Moore's style and technical gifts may be flummoxing Johnson; but Johnson has excellent ring IQ, and would likely go on the offensive aggressively and make it a dog fight. That is a fight I don't see Moore winning against Johnson

 

You are right, Mendoza. Good point.