Here's O'Dowd getting rid of the awful Al McCoy who had held the middleweight title hostage for 3 years: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhtgCNRiZg[/ame] He also defeated Harry Greb, Jack Britton, Ted 'Kid' Lewis and Mike Gibbons as seen below. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRK_wir1GQw[/ame]
Nice footage. I am about 65% sure I have an ye olde Ring magazine from the 40's or early 50's with an article about him, I will try to dig it out tomorrow.
Please do if you can find it. :good It's odd that a man with wins over four hall of famers is himself not in the hall of fame, atleast the IBHOF version.
Just for ridding the sport of that hack McCoy, O'Dowd should be in the HOF. But yeah, I've always thought he was underrated. Wins over Greb and Mike Gibbons certainly attest to that. Jack Britton seemed to have his number though.
"According to the Pittsburgh Post, all represented papers gave it to O'Dowd." - Boxrec "O'Dowd won the newspaper decision." - Washington post. What have you got, Slakka? Or do you mean it was a newspaper decision, not a judged victory?
Please elaborate. You think Greb won it? If we are to take away O'Dowd's newspaper decision win over Greb then take away half of Greb's wins also.
Britton had his number for a long time but he seemed to get the better of their last bout by clear margins although he outweighed Britton by 10 lbs.
u guys multiple count the same A-P wire service accounts and add em up! Count em once please! This drives me loco! Champion O'Dowd insisted Harry make a weight he couldn't fight at for **** 158. Harry wound up at 155 after spending the night in a turkish bath. Despite this scenario O'Dowds hometown paps were split on who won this battle and I have them all. I should add Harry was fighting in the 170 range in the time leading up to this encounter. Its like ranking Mike Rossman over Victor Galendez
The excuses about Greb's weight problems seem dubious at best. Greb fought anywhere from 150 to 170. Was he drained when he fought Billy Miske at around 150 pounds the same year? http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=w8MaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fUkEAAAAIBAJ&dq=harry%20greb%20miske&pg=3754%2C1766256 Whether that was his actual weight or not, he did fight Jeff Smith at the same weight he fought O'Dowd at. No one ranks O'Dowd over Greb. It's just a big win for someone who isn't even included in the boxing hall of fame, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the win. If you have any additional newspaper reports then I wouldn't mind reading them.
Slakka is right, for the most part. I dont agree that making 158 was a huge handicap for Greb. his best weight was about five pounds heavier but he could make 158 and still be better than the vastly underrated O'Dowd. That being said he did indeed over shoot the weight by spending all night in a turkish bath. He weighed in at 155 1/2 and of the six twin cities papers in operation at the time they were split down the middle (I have them all too). The great George Barton, dean of twin cities newspapermen, ex fighter, mentor of Mike Gibbons, and one of the greatest referees ever stated that he thought Greb won. Keep in mind that these were hometown papers, a hometown crowd, a hometown venue, and hometown officiating. Would the result have been more unanimous somewhere else. Maybe. But while he was still champion O'Dowd refused to fight Greb in Pittsburgh or anywhere other than the twin cities for anything less than a kings ransom. Back to the original question: O'Dowd is incredibly underrated a wonderful little bulldog of a fighter who could also box when he needed to. His problem was he was a bit small for a middleweight and too big for a welterweight so he was typically fighting guys that were larger than him. Hes one of my favorite fighters.
Slakka obviously has done his research but he could have made a better first impression than he did in his first post, calling O'Dowd's win over Greb "bull****". There seem to be legit questions over that win, and I'd never claim that O'Dowd was better than a peak Greb, but for someone who isn't recognized even as a hall of famer or a top 20 middleweight, a win over Greb under any circumstances is huge. Even being competitive and arguably winning against Greb is an achievement.