Mike Tyson 1988 vs. Wladimir Klitschko 2009

No one said that. But continue making straw man's instead of addressing what people said. That's what you do.

Sure, let's ignore all his other stoppage losses or fights where he was decked.

What do you mean fair and square? Did Brewster and purity cheat or something?

If he had decent defense he would still be able to block even after punching himself out. Not only does he have a weak chin, he has weak defense. All he does is cover up or clinch.

Several of the men who beat or gave Wladmir a hard time were with shorter and/or lighter than him. So it's a strange claim to say he "specialized" in neutralizing smaller fighters.

Wladmir is not Lennox Lewis. You can't simply attribute Lewis qualities to Wladmir because they have worked with the same trainer.

Even if this were the case, it would depend on the ref. Even in the example you gave Lewis was warned and lost a point for excessive clinching. And that was a shot Tyson.

Carl Williams and Larry Holmes had excellent jabs and Tyson did not have trouble with them.

Biggs and Thomas were both brutally knocked out and we're behind on the scorecards. What are you even talking about?

Virtually every opponent of Tyson's had a reach advantage.

No need for idealization or imagination. We can see on film how their styles would clash and it's pretty obvious Tyson can exploit the holes in Wladmirs game plan if the ref penalizes excessive holding. It would be like a hot knife through butter once he got past the jab.

It's Wladmirs own fault for not developing a good uppercut and actual defense aside from backing up and humping.

 

You still have some unanswered questions on the other thread.

Answer those before getting a second helping

 

There’s many reasons for that.

None of it is relevant regarding a H2H fight.

 

There’s been some good responses here.

Mike wasn’t invincible.

Wlad wasn’t made of paper.

Mike had no longevity.

Wlad had great longevity.

These are always interesting debates.

My take on it, is that Mike would have stopped him. A prime version of Wlad with Manny by his side was a formidable fighter. But those early knockout defeats scarred him psychologically. When he was attacked hard and fast, he was vulnerable. He didn’t like pressure. He didn’t want to find himself in a shootout.

I think that Mike would have intimidated him in the build up, and then gone for the kill early on in the fight. And I don’t believe that Wlad’s height and reach would have prevented Mike from getting to him.

 

I’d have given those earlier versions of Wladamir more of a chance.

The prime versions of him were mostly risk averse.

He was more cautious.

He grabbed and leaned more.

He boxed rather than fought.

I don’t see how he could have dealt with Mike bobbing and weaving, looking for the kill.

I don’t think he’d mentally have been prepared for what Mike would have brought.

 

When I asked you to name 3 fighters who knocked out a durable opponent with a broken hand you provided 3 bad examples and then shifted the goal posts.

The whole forum saw it. Just like they can see you making more dumb arguments here.

 

Oh, so now you admit I provided 3 examples?

Nice! We're getting somewhere.

The fact that you're not happy with the examples and that you want different ones simply shows that the guy shifting the goalposts is you

 

With the Tyson vs Tucker fight, it's often acknowledged that Tucker hurt his hand in the fight, what is not really acknowledged is Tucker stepped on Tyson's big toe early in the fight and tore the nail off it.

 

If all people believe is that Wlad will just hold, just go watch the bone crusher Smith fight.

Tyson is not a good inside fighter, he falls into silent contracts of you don’t punch me, I won’t punch you.

Plus you have a guy who has 30lbs, 9 inch in height, 10 inch in reach, Wlad is a specimen that Tyson has only every come up against once in physicality and that was Lewis.

I’m not saying Wlad definitely wins, nor am I saying Tyson does, it’s an intriguing fight and as I’ve said it’ll be Tyson early and anything after 4/5 it’ll be Wlad.

 

Vow, quite lopsided in Tyson's favour... For me this is a tough one to call.

 

Great post.

 

The same ailment that kept Haye from KO'ing Wlad. Almost ironic, isn't it?

 

If Bewster can blast the soul of of Wlads body with a couple of left hooks , what do you think this man will do.

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As if this man who had the beat head and upperbody movement in the divisions history is going to struggle to get close to a guy who couldn't keep Sam Peter off him. . Klitachko would not land a glove on Tyson before the inevitable splattering.

 

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I am puzzled . Tyson has no inside game ?

He stopped Spinks inside.....decked/finished Bruno inside.......broke Ruddocks ribs inside...etc etc.....so did he throw his lethal body/uppercut combo from the outside ? Have you even seen him fight? Totally washed up he waxed Botha with a 8 inch punch.....inside...

The famous WK "strength"........you can fault Frank Bruno for many thiings but that guy was as strong as a ox and looked the part.....and Tyson literally rag dolled him especially in the first encounter like a child despite Brunos best efforts to rabbit punch, grapple/clinch and holding behind the head...Tyson simply outmuscled him and fired bombs and that was a Tyson not firing on all cylinders anymore.

One more time, if you CANNOT control caveman Sam Peter with his so called wonder jab and gets almosr stopped by wide looping slow azz punches his goose is cooked vs Tyson.....and Tyson has never lost a fight where he was ahead, so the motion that WK would take some major punishment for the early rounds and then take over is absurd.