Mike Tyson 1988 vs. Wladimir Klitschko 2009

Some guys have never lifted and trained. Wlad's physique is very achievable with regular weight training and cardio. No peds required. Yeah, you'd have to be dedicated, but for a boxer, that comes with the territory.

 

A lot is made out to be about WK's size and strength.

Smith was a big strong tall guy, inferior Boxer to Wk but punch for punch he was on par, superior stamina to WK and physically as strong.

Bruno was a big tall strong guy, physically as strong , best punch for punch he was on par with WK and matched him jab vs jab......the same jab who gave Prime Lewis fits for two thirds of the fight

Tucker was a big tall strong guy, Boxing ability about the same, great jab, physically as strong but superior chin and stamina plus he had a sneaky upper cut, something WK does not have.

Bruno never got the jab going and got rag dolled............Smith and Tucker lost by loop sided decisions and Tyson out jabbed Tucker at times....

The above counters the myth that Tyson struggled with size or range, because he did not , one got KTFO and the other two were put in a shell.

A slightly past prime Lewis , a superior fighter to WK by all means,could not contain or control a washed up beyond washed up Tyson with a jab, yes he did land a good upper cut but nevertheless the Ghost of Tyson backed him up in the opening round and won it.

WK has NO uppercut and panics under pressure.................Brewster basically KO'ed him with ONE body shot while jumping on him......Sanders jumped him too and made him fight not jab and grab...........Tyson brings another dimension of speed, power,pure aggression and text book technique in comparison to those ham and eggers..............Tyson will stop WK, there is no other out come, he is about the worst fighter style wise for WK

 

Wlad is shredded at a low BF with mass ...

His physique is achievable if you have elite genes and that's all you do ... But he is like that all the time ... That's where question marks come in ... And no it isn't really feasable with the cardio involved in boxing

His brother is a proven steroid user that makes his case even more questionable

I suspect Wlad, Bruno, Weaver and others all took something at some point of their careers .... Holyfield is a confirmed PED abuser and so is Vitali

 

Wlad can't handle speed and pressure ... His reaction time isn't that great and his reflexes are about average ... He's going to throw the jab, Tyson will duck it and counter him, and he will get confused and panic ...

It'll be the same thing as Tyson vs Savarese

 

I had a similar physique with just cardio and weights. It is totally possible.

For which fight did Vitali get bust for PEDs?

 

These are reasonable thoughts.
I mentioned his height because you may have been looking at his total weight & mass, which would not be near impossible to be natural at 6'6" & shredded. IF he added that much in pure muscle when already having some significant mass, that could be suspicious.
I think most anyone boxing full time has time to lift heavily & obsessively-although overdoing it is bad for the system & recovery.
But it is not like they train 16 hours a day, or a top boxer also works a full time job.

Wlad may naturally be more like 220. Although a term like Ectomorph is a general one, there is no hard & fast scientifically accurate category...
I would like to see precise dates, weights & his look at each turn.
Someone with that frame could easily add most of that weight by gaining a bit of fat, after a big meal, &/or weighing in at a different time of day & more dressed...

But you may be right, especially when you are now only positing it as the most likely explanation.

 

Didn't know that, thanks for the info.

 

A lot of posters on here have never watched an NBA game.

 

*nervously puts hand up*

 

It wasn't directed at you, even if I quoted you.

 

Wlad could move nothing like Tillis. Nor was he as fast as James.

 

The way you write gives me the impression you have never watched an actual boxing match for the fighters you criticize.

You are so off the mark it's like handing Stevie Wonder a gun at a shooting range.

 

I agree, Wlad was much better, which is why I'm picking him.

 

Mike has a huge mental edge here.wlad would be scared.you know boxing is also mental

 

Wlad has a huge mental edge here.Mike would be scared.you know boxing is also mental, especially if your head is about the same height as the other guy's nuts