Mike Tyson 1988 vs. Wladimir Klitschko 2009

Complete nonsense. Mike had a decent chin, took hard flush shots against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis and was KOD in the later rounds after an accumulation of punishment. Wlad has a glass chin, everytime he gets hit by a half decent puncher he is in big trouble. But he rarely gets hit and that is too his credit.

 

Personally and on the eye test, I think Tyson has a very good chin and I'd guess that it's better than Wlad's. Wlad does not have a glass chin, however, that's just a narrative pushed by haters. A glass chin would have disintegrated under the uppercut AJ landed and Wlad was still there. On the other hand cuchulain makes an interesting point

 

Yes - I understood that. It's just I don't see the relevance of specifying differences between Tyson's stoppages and Wlad's stoppages. Beat the count; not beat the count. It's a triviality.

Perhaps if Wlad had looked anything like capable of continuing, there'd be a difference worth noting. As it stands they were, to all intents and purposes, both knocked out.

Tyson's one bad night in his physical prime, resulting in a 10th round KO, against a prime, Ring-Rated contender - Douglas, is no comparison to getting blown away inside of two rounds by an unranked part-timer - Sanders, who had admitted to Ian Darke, before the fight, that he'd made his mind up to retire and had only turned up for the paycheck.

But this wasn't the only occasion Wlad would be taken out in his physical prime, was it?.

I tend to agree. However, unlike Lewis, Wlad (from 2004 onwards) lost confidence in his ability to take a shot and fought almost exclusively in safety-mode for the rest of his career, often at the cost of exhibiting boxing skill.

Some see it that way. I don't and would be rather confident of an early Tyson victory.

Wlad doesn't present anything Tyson hasn't see before and unlike most of Wlad's opponents, Tyson wasn't just going to settle into an evening of following Wlad's left glove around for 12 rounds, waiting for the big right.

Wlad just never saw anything like Tyson.

Given the age of Sanders (37) and several other of Wlad's opponents when he fought them, like Byrd (36), Ray Austin (36) Tony Thompson (37 and 41, respectively), Hasim Rahman (36), Jean Marc Mormeck (39), there's no room to place a constraint on Tyson's win over Holmes.

And, in any case, other than Tyson's win over Holmes, the Spinks, Tubbs, Tucker, Smith and Berbick wins are better than any one of Wlad's wins. You could throw in Biggs, Thomas, Bruno and Ruddock, as well and have a very good case for the same. A key difference being that other than Berbick (32) and Smith (33), these guys were in their twenties.

As for which win was the best - take your pick.

What was Wlad's best win? (Mention Povetkin at the risk of ridicule - that so-called contest wasn't even boxing.)

 

Neither man has an iron chin, in the league of McColl, Vitali, Foreman etc.


Mike's chin is solid, despite his three KOs, and a bit better than Wlad's.

Wlad's is a lot more solid than he is given credit for.

AS I said, he's never been KO'd. He is not iron-chinned, but his chin is better than the average HW boxer.

He's hard to hit clean and he has a very decent jab that he keeps opponents at the end of.

Mike would need to be careful getting inside. If Wlad catches him with his best flush shot, he's going to sleep.

If the fight goes 12, my money would be on Wlad.

If it ends early, then Mike probably prevails.

What was Mike's best win ?

 

Mostly agree.

However, when I asked about Mike's best win, I wasn't comparing his wins to Wlad's wins.

I was wondering who he had beaten that would be of Wlad's level.

And regardless of what you thought of the Povetkin bout, that was a good win and admitted as such by Povetkin itself.

If you want to **** on that win, then BHop has no decent wins after 2000.

IMO, Povetkin beats all ofr Tyson's opponent.

At any rate, I give Wlad a much better chance the you give him, while I still leave Tyson as the slight favourite.

 

The problem is that "Wlad's level" is intrinsically linked to his level of opposition. If his ledger reflects his bowling over a litany of 'has-beens' and 'never-weres', then why should he be held in a regard comparable to other champs of the past?

The Wlad/Povetkin match was an utter disgrace and could only be held up as Wlad's best win in name only - and only to someone who hadn't actually watched that fiasco.

Truly a horrific performance - by both Wlad and the Ref.

People can think what they like about Hopkins' bouts, post-2000, but nothing he was involved in compared to Wlad/Povetkin, the likes of which I had not ever seen before nor have ever seen since.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but it is quite amusing how often I come across people that pluck an ordinary from the Klitschko era and back them to replicate Tyson's 80s career.

Povetkin's ledger is worse than Wlad's. He'd likely have been a player in the 80's, so long as he had PED Power on his side, but he's probably making less of an impression back then, as he managed to achieve in his own era.

That's fair enough.

 

Many Variables to account for. If Wlad adopts the jab and grab style, will Tyson work Wlad's body to wear him down. Tyson had incredible speed and before opponents knew it, he was able to get inside. In a fight like this, i predict Wlad will be looking to hold for the most part.

People also underestimate that Tyson was a counter puncher, he would capitalize on opponents mistakes.

 

everytime wlad is in a fight he got put on his ass

 

If Wlad has a decent chin as Klittards claim than Joe Louis has a decent chin as well ... But not even Joe Louis fans will say he had a good chin

Wlad is not a natural born fighter like Tyson. We've seen time and time again Wlad panicking, getting hurt, getting knocked down, getting knocked out.

Putting Wlad in with Tyson is like putting a lamb in with a lion ... It's slaughter.

 

Tyson's chin is "a little" better than Wlad's...

Ok, NOW I've read it all. In the year of our lord 2021, I can finally say I've seen, read and heard it all.

 

Good point. Tyson never did anything to deserve that kind of whooping.

 

You Klittards never rest

Tyson would end up in jail for **** if he fought the younger klit ... And this time it would be for real

 

It's all opinion at the end of the day. Relax.

 

Tyson KO1, only because there isn't a Round 0