Mike Tyson (1996) vs George Chuvalo

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  1. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fact that Tyson was much more versatile than Joe would seem to indicate that had a higher work rate than the one dimensional, basically one punch dependant Frazier. But perhaps I should say that Mike’s greater arsenal, hand speed and punching power would make short work of George.
     
  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    George Chuvalo wouldn’t be intimidated like Seldon and Bruno. However, I don’t think things would have gone well for him in 1996. I agree I could see it going the distance though.
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Hundred percent ,George won t get intimidated .The guy was fearless. Which against a prime 86 Tyson would see his face wrecked .But here he survive s to the final bell
     
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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If it's 12 rounds that Tyson might get stopped after gassing out
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I think people seem to be forgetting or ignoring the fact 96 tyson was not built for long distance fights. He was breathing out his mouth against Holyfield.
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Tyson had diminished a lot as a fighter by 1996 in comparison to the fighter he was in 1991.
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Mike Tyson via TKO. Tyson would land too much too often
     
  8. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Holyfield had more to do with Tyson's ineffectiveness down the stretch than the distance itself. Mike took a lot of punishment from Evander, who was able to outmaneuver him over the course of the fight taking surprisingly little punishment in return. Re-watch the 10th round; the first 2:30 looked like a Tyson round. If he didn't get caught coming in, Mike likely loses a decision instead of losing via stoppage.

    Chuvalo won't have the ability to outmaneuver him; deliberate fighters who lack lateral movement and are right there infront of him would get eaten up even by 1996 Tyson. Chuvalo might make him work for it, but he'd be a highlight reel.

    Tyson KO5
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Disagree.

    You're right in that chuvalo wont be outmaneuvering him, but hed be digging to the body all night and staying right in tysons chest, not giving him room to set up his bombs. Tyson lost power after just 4 rounds in the 90's, and unless he catches chuvalo with something big and forces a stoppage, it would only go downhill from there.

    1996 Tyson just doesnt have a lot of exemplary 12 round performances for me to confidently pick him over a brick wall who doesnt get tired. It would be a battle of attrition. If tyson had a ref who jumps in when a guy takes too many hard shots, he wins. Otherwise, it becomes a very ugly, brutal drawn out fight with tyson gasping for air and having busted ribs and welts on his body and chuvalo covered in lumbs and bruises all over his face.
     
  10. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Tyson didn't really told in the first fight, he looked like he was going to when he butted evander in round 8 but then he pulled it together and was even coming on right before he got knocked out.


    I also thought he was coming on against Douglas in rounds 8 9 and 10(compared to how he did before anyway) but he just wasn't in 12 round shape and had just taken too many shots up until that point in both fights.
     
  11. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're saying Tyson lost his power after just 4 rounds in the 90s (presumably you mean post prison) even though he's scored a 1 punch KO over Botha in the 5th and a 7th round stoppage over Neilson. I'm sure that's an oversight.

    I think you're overstating Chuvalo's ability and underestimating Tyson's ability to infight.

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    Go to 33:10, Tyson knew how to find these shots in the inside against a more talented fighter who gave him a combination of angles, lateral movement and smothering. Evander felt that left hook in round 6 and Tyson's 5th round was probably among his best showings in both fights.

    Thing is, Chuvalo isn't offering Tyson anything that would puzzle him; he's going to be right at his chest were Tyson will use angles and make use of the upper cut. Chuvalo simply isn't a dynamic enough fighter to be able to pull this off not to mention no fighter has ever beaten Tyson in this manner.

    At best he may provide a challenge for 3-4 rounds before Tyson scores the highlight reel KO.

    Your scenario would work against the Tyson who faced Golota or better yet Nielson.
     
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  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    The thing is, Chuvalo isnt getting koed. At the very least it likely wouldnt happen in the 7th and almost certainly wont happen as early as 5.

    Brian Nielson was garbage and didnt have a chin remotely comparable to chuvalo, but i'll accept i was wrong about tysons power fading in just 4 rounds.

    I saw his fights with holyfield live ppv and several times on youtube. Tyson wasnt an inside fighting monster like duran or frazier. He wasnt terrible, but he wasnt great at it either.

    A lazy plodding guy like james smith and a C level bum like mitch green were effortlessly able to wrestle and out clinch tyson. If Tyson couldnt bomb a guy out on his way in, he had to reset and start over, sometimes even looking at his opponent like "arent you gonna let go so we can start over?" (Silent agreement).

    Tyson had some nice body shots, short sharp uppercuts, and hayemaker overhand rights on his way in, but when his his head was agaibst the opponents chest he stopped looking spectacular. The only time i can recall him looking great at that range was when he stopped frank bruno but he had to eat a lot of punches in the process.

    Tysons gameplan and style was designed to blitz and counter tall rangey guys who used jabs. Against a guy his own height, he smothers hiw own work and loses some of the power. Its not his fault, cus d amato died before he could finish fine tuning him. But these flaws are exactly why guys like chuvalo and holyfield are bad matchups.

    Holyfield beat tyson in this manner, twice. Buster mathis jr was doing well but lacked the chin to pull it off.

    I didnt say chuvalo would puzzle or surprise him, i think tyson simply runs out of gas bashing him upside the head and it becomes a rock em sock em mud fight with both men gasping for air. The best tyson can hope for is a late round stoppage or an ugly lopsided decision. Chuvalo isnt going anywhere.

    If it was prime tyson id agree. Post prison tyson lacks the speed, sharpness, and workrate to ko a guy like chuvalo who was never floored, let alone KOed.