Mike Tyson('88) vs Lennox Lewis('95)

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Watch Tyson from 85-88 then watch the Tyson from 89 onwards, totally different fighter. You don't have to go very far because it's right there for you to watch on youtube.
     
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  2. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So glad someone agrees with me:happy

    H2H it's a tough one to call but I think ring iq could be the reason I'd favour Lewis slightly.

    But throughout their careers there's no doubt Lewis > Tyson
     
    Webbiano, Jan 4, 2012
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  3. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yer he did that to heavyweights that were top 20-50 ranked at the time not an arguably top 10 heavyweight of all time. The 4 biggest fights of tysons career were Lewis Holyfieldx2 and Douglas. Didn't last 12 rounds with either of them and supposedley Tyson mysteriously went out of his prime a day before he fought douglas
     
    Webbiano, Jan 4, 2012
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  4. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: maybe because when tyson was in his supposed prime (88) Lewis was making his debut? + Tyson mystically became **** overnight after 88 and was never the same fighter.
     
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  5. Goro

    Goro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson would spark him out within 8 rounds.
     
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  6. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If James Tillis could tame Tyson for 10 rounds, you dont think the bigger, smarter, more skilled Lewis couldnt have done the same whilst winning nearly every round along the way?

    I think this fight would go to a decision and could go either way.

    No knockout in their primes, thats my opinion.
     
    floyd_g.o.a.t, Jan 4, 2012
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  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    And if McCall and Rahman could spark Lewis with one single punch I don't see why Tyson couldn't do the same thing. See, it goes both ways. Besides, Tyson fought Tillis one year into his pro career. Horrible comparison.
     
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  8. keith

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    Bonecrusher refused to throw punches out of fear, and went the distance losing all but one round. Lewis COULD do that, but would lose the same way.

    And that was not a close fight with Tillis.


    Keith
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Emanuel Steward kind of touched on this theme briefly:

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=30263&more=1

    CIANI: Okay. Now you mentioned the Lennox Lewis fight before, and that was obviously Mike’s next and really his last big chance for glory under the spotlight. He went into the fight with Lewis and had some success in the first round, but then Lennox basically went on to dominate him. I’m wondering if you could talk about that fight in some detail, and I’m wondering if you believe that fight could have been more competitive if it had perhaps taken place some six years earlier?

    STEWARD: Once again we go back to the fight that Mike was still a small guy. We forget that there is a reason why they have weight classes, and we look at Lennox and Mike and to me it was always going to be a fairly easy fight because Lennox is a big guy! He’s still a 6’5” 250 pound man. Going into the fight everybody was once again—Mike is from the streets, Mike’s coming back, Mike’s going to whip Lennox up, Lennox is a Momma’s boy, Lennox was all that stuff. But people don’t realize Lennox is a thug himself. If you know his background and where he comes from, he was one of the guys that when anybody had trouble Lennox would come at them, and whop their ass, and drag them down the street. It was a rough crowd. When you look close enough, everybody was looking at what Mike was going to do. I knew Mike was not going to do anything to Lennox, and one of the reasons was just because Lennox is a big guy and had the same mental toughness as Mike, even though it didn’t appear that way all the time. So the strategy in the first round was go out and get respect. So they had all of those guys lined up across the ring, trying to stop Mike from running across the ring and going crazy. You know Lennox was just standing there waiting. When they had the altercation at New York at the press conference, people don’t remember—Mike ran across the stage, and as soon as he got there Lennox hit him! Lennox hit Mike first. Lennox didn’t run away. He was the one that hit Mike and knocked him down to start the fight. So Lennox was never afraid of Mike is what I’m saying. Then you take the physical size and the fact that Mike’s best years were behind him, but nevertheless everybody was holding onto the Mike Tyson image of ’88 and ’89 still. I felt that it was a fight that Mike didn’t really want. I think his heart was not in boxing at that time anymore, his skills had eroded, and he was just in a situation where he went through the fight but I don’t think he really had the fire and intensity that he should have had. On the other hand this was Lennox’s greatest moment, because he would get his biggest super fight that he always wanted. So he was at that emotional high again. When Mike went in with these guys like Holyfield, and Douglas, and Lennox—they were at the emotional height of their careers. They were emotionally stimulated and Mike just couldn’t hold up. These guys were bigger, and with Holyfield it was just style-wise. Lennox was never afraid of Mike Tyson at all. In the first round Lennox was told to go out and stand toe-to-toe with him to get respect. I didn’t care whether he won, or lost, or got knocked down. We must go toe-to-toe! We didn’t end up winning that first round, and if you notice Lennox went out and fought Mike toe-to-toe. He didn’t start running from Mike, and clinching like he would often do. In this case the plan was to get in his face, and after the first round then we went to our strategy, which was jab, jab, jab all the way through, wear him down systematically, and it worked! So after the first round the fight totally changed. The first round was a round to go in and get respect, and we got that in the first round.
     
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  10. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree.

    Tyson starts to face better fighters and is beaten, but he's still unconquerable. He lost, not due to fighting better, more skilled fighters who knew how to deal with his style..........but he lost merely due to him conviently being *out of his prime*....:huh


    Laughable.
     
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  11. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    The Tyson Lennox Lewis fought forgot how to throw body shots. The Tyson of 88 would have worked the body a lot more. That alone would have completely changed the dynamic of the fight.
     
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  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lennox destroys him with ease. Ties him down, maybe gets a point deducted or two. Then easily knocks Tyson out in later rounds.

    It doesn't matter what version of Mike you put in front of Lennox. Lennox beats him every time; not even competitive.
     
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  13. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ****ing hell.

    Lewis via UD maybe even late TKO.

    Tyson fought no one of note in his prime (bar an old Holmes) , never mind anyone as good as Lewis.

    Lewis jabs the **** out of him all night long, bringing in that right hand after the 5th round.

    unlike all of Mike's opponents around 88', Lennox would not be intimidated by him, would keep his cool and beat him convincingly.
     
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  14. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I believe Tyson loses to Lewis even in his prime, but I watched Tyson Holyfield yesterday and don't compare that to the prime Tyson.
    The Tyson from that fight didn't throw combos and tried to knock him out with every big punch and his head movement was not there.

    Prime Tyson was quicker and more explosive. Much better defense and more patient when needed to be.

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    Edit: Oh and let me add that Tyson was a lot better counter puncher in his prime
     
    bballchump11, Jan 5, 2012
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  15. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good if Tyson won a UD or KOed Douglas, then lost by same sort of fashion in his next fight the end of his prime would have been after the Douglas fight. His prime was basically a repeat of Foreman's, however Foreman faced better opposition and Lost to the best heavyweight of all time. Tyson lost to a heavyweight that struggles to get into the top 500
     
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