Mike Tyson: After Holyfield II

How come no other fighter has managed to 'unconvincingly' punch Vitali's face off then???

 

Because Vitali is so great. Hes gotten so great since the Lewis loss, and it shows as he has beaten one great contender after another. He is one amazing champion. :blood

 

Could you see Tyson even reaching the 14th round in Manilla after taking the punishment Frazier had took - When Tyson was exactly the same age and fought someone who wasnt gonna roll over he had to bite their ear off!

 

Great thread Ironchamp :good


I think the resume you put together fits much better, regardless of the outcomes.....I always thought the path Tyson took from 99-04 was a bit strange lol still, money is money unfortunately......:bart



And Lefthook, i agree with what you said 100%.... Majority of posters on here probly think Tysons career started with McNeeley

 

Tyson after prison was still great fighter,he was i believe stronger but he lost head movement.After Holyfield fight he was not the same fighter.he was mentaly destroyed as a fighter.Holyfield destroyed Tyson mentaly.He lost focus,hunger and he was fighting only for money.He always had tools to be the best even in his older days but he lost determination,discipline,hunger.Type of fighter like Tyson must be prepared to die in ring for victory but he was not that type of fighter anymore.

 

I believe he would have followed that path, or at least a similar one, what happened was HOLYFIELD.
Holy was looked as an old man by Tyson, his gang and Don King. Once he beat Holy he would have gone on to fight the rest. However Holyfield upset the odds and beat Tyson. Tyson then must have realised, ok im not the fighter i used to be, i cant even beat old man Holyfield. after that he just gave up. He's admitted this himself in the Tyson 2009 film. He gave up wanting to be champion after the Holy fight.

Compare this to the Douglas loss, yeah he lost for whatever reasons, but then he was on the comeback path, he fought Tillman (who beat him twice) Alex Stewart who was highly ranked and gave Holy a good fight and then he fought the dangerous Razor Ruddock not once but twice, purely to prove he was the number one challenger. All that stood in his way was Holyfield (and desiree washington)
After prison Tyson simply just didnt have the bottle

 

No manager worth their salt would give Tyson a few knock over jobs and put him in with an elite fighter, ie Holyfield. Tyson needed rounds after 4-5years off to get him used to pacing himself and being in a hard fight before he jumped back in the deep end. The thinking at the time was Holyfield was there for the taking, which makes sense after the Bowe and Moorer losses. But a durable gatekeeper would have made sense beforehand. Mercer, Purity or McCall

 

Mike Tyson in my opinion was the most motivated he has ever been personally, leading up to Holyfield vs Tyson II. He was genely pissed off, and for once as a single minded man, wanted to beat the **** out of Evander Holyfield. In the past with Team Tyson, they where basically telling him what to do, and how to act. Tyson was uncut and arw vs Evander Holyfield, i think it was the last of the real Mike Tyson.

He was motivated and over stimulated........and just snapped.

 

I thought the path that Tyson took after Holyfield was OK.......the problem heading toward the Lewis fight was that Tyson by then had become a complete nutcase.....

.......and it sure did'nt help that the fight before Lewis against Nielson, Tyson weighs the heaviest of his career, 240 lbs.......

......then for the Lewis fight where its absolutely essential that Tyson be quick and fast to get inside Lewis reach, he comes in the 2nd heaviest of his career, 234 lbs.:nut

 

Before facing Holyfield, Tyson had just knocked out Frank Bruno in as good or better fashion than he had done before going to prison......

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So I dont agree with you that Tyson needed more rounds before facing Holyfield.

The problem against Holyfield was'nt physical, it was mental. Tyson held his own for 5 rounds, but Holyfield was just on another level as far as the mental side of the game and being able to implement his skills.
No version of Mike Tyson would have overcome that.

 

Tyson had pretty much had it after Holyfield 2. He was matched very carefully in order to pad his record out with wins.

 

So 3rounds is enough to get him ready for a 12round fight, like you say 'Tyson held his own for 5rounds' and then faded. A boxer needs to go rounds to get him ready to go rounds against an elite opponent

 

I agree. I think he was at first, but his life went haywire after he won the title. He was carousing with a lot of dangerous gang people.