Mike Tyson and adversity

I agree. Unfortunately this is not the case.

 

Wouldn't this happen with every fighter? Holyfield did it time and time again. Lennox knew his limits. Wlad knew his capabilities. Let's not single Mike Tyson out.

 

The count was a bit off nor did Meyran wipe Buster's gloves off. He looked at Buster at the 9.5 second mark and said continue. Then the bell rang. But you're right, the referee's count is what should be official. But that doesn't mean Meyran didn't mess up.

 

Where did I say it only applies to Tyson?

Yes, I think you can apply the same thing to Wlad and probably Lennox to. Certainly not Holy to the same extent. He was definitely the busier fighter over 12 rds.

 

Yeah? You started a thread recently questioning whether Tyson took a dive against Lewis. Here is some of your input below. I am confused by your completing conflicting statements -

I am not totally convinced he was so badly hurt to be knocked out and to be fair he didn't look to be knocked out cold as such. At the start of the round he had already told his corner that he had enough but they still pushed him out there. He needed to be pushed down and even then he is coherent enough to wipe his face with his gloves and is deliberately delaying getting up so that he can actually be counted out, it looked more like enough is enough, i am not doing this anymore.

That is my point. He went down but he didn't look knocked down or incoherent, he had the sense to wipe blood of his face and if he felt he could win the fight, i am pretty sure he would have gotten up quicker, but what you see is a guy deliberately slowly getting up and deliberately wanting to miss the count.

That is what i am trying to get at, he gave up and quit and decided enough was enough but if he really wanted to get up he could have.

 

What's relevant is that Douglas was clear and listening to the ref early on. If the count only had been ten seconds he'd still be up at 9.5. So let's just leave the ref out of it, since his "messing up" had no impact on the final result.

 

True.

 

This discussion is not about whether or not Tyson is the most popular former heavyweight champion alive. He undoubtedly is, no dispute there. The discussion is about Tyson and adversity, i.e., whether or not he EVER snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Unfortunately, he NEVER did.

Regarding Lewis and his “controversial” WIN over Vitali, I’ll say this again, Mike Tyson probably wishes he had to justify a controversial WIN instead of his decision to BITE Holyfield.

You do remember that Lewis stopped Bowe in the amateurs AND Bowe chose to dump the WBC belt in the trash rather than meet Lewis in the ring. Just curious, why do you hold Bowe’s decision against Lewis?

 

Yes, i asked that question to start a debate. The overwhelming majority refuted the claim.

 

But here is my question, if a fighter is so good in 60 fights where 99% of the times he never ever allowed himself in an adverse position, why should it be held against him? For the record, Tyson is at full peace with his career, you never see him comment on each and every fight of his to remind fans, to justify controversial wins or explain defeats unlike Lewis who does that every year as if it is his job to remind people about who he was.

Lewis has to and will always remind people about his boxing record. Tyson can stay quite for the rest of his life and be rest assured he will never ever be forgotten and be a mere footnote in boxing history.

 

What is more relevant is why did Buster not rematch Tyson when there was big money on offer for that fight?

 

Yes but you overwhelmingly supported it as evidenced by your numerous statements. Now you want to go the other way. You cannot have it both ways. Surely you ca understand this.

You are in a catch 22 on it because on one hand you want to take every piece of credit away from Lewis possible by saying Tyson gave up but on the other hand you need to protect Tyson's reputation as a warrior hence a completely contradictory stance in another thread.

 

I would agree it was a real shame there was not an instant rematch. On the other hand Holyfield had been waiting a while. Rahman tried to veer off from Lewis too but Lewis had a rematch clause and won out. There was also immense money on offer for a Tyson fight.

Sort of can't blame Rahman for wanting to defend against a lesser fighter first but at the end of the day he didn't have that sort of status hence having to agree to rematch clauses and the like.

 

I had asked everyone the question whether Tyson gave up and took a dive in round 8 realizing there was no chance of a victory for him in that fight and taking a prolonged beating was just unnecessary or whether Lewis had legitimately TKO'd him. Vast majority said the fight did not need to go on further and Lewis ended it.

 

Yes but you yourself said what i quoted above which conflicts with what you said in this thread. What others said is irrelevant.

I would agree Tyson did not need to take anymore, he was beaten down by The Lion both physically and mentally in that fight and it was going to end only one way.