Mike Tyson had a better career than Larry Holmes.

You didn't really answer my question with the Floyd comparison.

Kell Brook was in fact Floyd's mandatory for the IBF belt I believe. And Thurman was technically his mandatory too, but due to blatant favoritism he was made the "regular" WBA champion while Floyd became the "super" champion somehow. He missed these two and also missed porter who had a respectable high ranking. That's 3 prime undefeated welterweights ranked in the top 5 while Floyd was an active boxer.

After the Pacquiao fight, he fought Berto and sailed off into the sunset.

Holmes fought EIGHT undefeated prime fighters from 1981-1986--plus Smith who only had one loss and was coming off a sensational KO win over #9 ranked undefeated Bruno.

-Bey had JUST beaten the amazing Greg Page people keep complaining Holmes didn't fight.

-Cooney had JUST knocked out Norton, the man people were saying deserved a rematch against Holmes.

-Snipes had JUST beaten Coetzee.

Are we supposed to just ignore the context and history behind these wins?

We're supposed to give the 80's boxers a pass for losing to men who Holmes then gave an immediate shot? I don't understand the logic here.

 

completely not true !! go up and fight at the weight , and he wanted him down at 147 to start ..LMAO .. Las Vegas bought and paid ...you brought in May in the discussion first and then magoo so i chimed in .... just needed to correct you both as he fumbled the ball as well , no sweat back to the topic

 

You know very well that many of Tyson's wins can be explained away. Smith-unglamorous and indecisive (not that that's Tyson's fault), Holmes and Spinks are old, the Williams fight was a bad stoppage and therefore not a legit win IMO, he knocked out a fat as hell Tubbs. Berbick, Tucker, and Bruno are really the only totally legitimate wins of his champ days IMO.

 

I knew I forgot two guys. Thomas and Biggs. The Biggs win would also be one of Tyson's best wins as champ. But Thomas? Thomas just got an ass-whipping from Berbick. Tyson can thank Berbick for the easy victory. Berbick softened him up for Mike.

 

Mike Tyson book if excuses.

 

Good points !!!! I agree with you almost 100 percent !!!! when ranking fighters post 80's as the weigh in rules did change and no more 15 round fights .. And he definitely has a case post 80's ... we can agree there

 

They both beat a bunch of stiffs, mostly.

 

When the best out there includes some old guys you will hear it? I mean Larry still had game? And it doesn't matter if you'd never heard the Williams thing before. It's obvious in the right that Williams beat the count and was good enough to continue.

 

You didn't hurt my feelings at all actually. I do not expect too much from a guy who lacks both a neck and a brain.

 

Larry beat more up-and comers. I will admit, had Ocasio, Weaver, Berbick, Snipes, and Spoon not went on to success, Larry would be more heavily criticized and rightfully so.