Mike Tyson had a better career than Larry Holmes.

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Member Full Member

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    So you're saying Bonecrusher became whole another fighter in the span of 1.5 years while he won 5 fights and lost 3? Good one. And using your own argument, Holmes beat Bonecrusher who was undefeated, coming off his best career win to date against Frank Bruno, who was rated in the Top 10 of the division. Just because he held a paper title when Tyson fought him, doesn't make him a better fighter. And in the end of the day, Tyson beat Holmes' leftovers.

    He did. Still, it was just Holmes' leftovers.

    Well, Bey beat Buster Douglas, who you provided in your own argument, lol. You were the one making ridiculous point that Tucker beat somebody who beat somebody who Larry supposedly avoided, but refuse to acknowledge through the entirety of this thread that Larry beat a lot of guys who beat a lot of guys who he was supposedly avoiding. You're a funny guy.

    Yeah, they are not, Holmes beat fresher versions of Berbick and Bonecrusher.

    You can argue that Holmes beat Spinks in the rematch.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    Both were coming off the best wins of their entire career.

    Bonecrusher had KO'd WEaver in 1 round, beat Ferguson and Bey then poleaxed Witherspoon in 1. He was on the run of his life obviously.
     
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  3. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I don't understand how some refuse to see this for what it is. Bonecrusher was obviously better and more seasoned when he faced Tyson. Same with Berbick. As you said, both were coming off career best victories. It's plain as day.
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Bruno wasn't in the top 10. He finished 83 in the 11 spot. Bonecrusher was brought in as a nobody for Bruno to beat, but he won because Bruno gassed out. Bonecrusher was a late starter with no am experience.

    Holmes basically fought a guy who was the same as Ross Purrity.

    Bonecrusher basically figured out how to fight by 86, scorching Weaver and Witherspoon and beating Ferguson (Mercer's dad) and Bey by decision. Night and day.

    Lol at putting Bey and Tucker in the same category.
     
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  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Member Full Member

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    Bruno was rated as a Top 10 contender in 1983, so that's a Top 10 list for you.

    That's your opinion only a few would agree with.

    I never put Bey and Tucker in the same category. I put Bey and Buster in the same category as you mentioned Tucker beat Buster as an argument because Buster beat Page whom supposedly Holmes avoided, but Holmes, just like Buster, beat the guy who beat Page. And that guy beat your guy. You're putting on a show with all of these mental gymnastics and can't even keep up with what you yourself are saying, lol.
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    So he was number 11 and not in the top 10.

    Buster was green when he fought Bey and he was in form for the Tucker fight, trying to take home a title. There's a difference there that you ignored.
     
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  7. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Plus...when Holmes got knocked down...he got back up...and won the fight. When Tyson went down...fights over. Mike never got up off the canvas to win the fight. That says a lot...Tyson's standing in heavyweight history has taken a beating over the last few years! He seems to be slipping in the rankings. Historian and PR man Bill Caplan has Tyson 17th on his heavyweight list. He has Louis...Ali...Holmes... Marciano...Foreman...Frazier...Lewis...Holyfield...Tunney...and Jack Dempsey in his Top 10.
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Tyson knocked out Holmes, pal.

    You must rate Oliver McCall and David Tua very highly.
     
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  9. DBCOOPERJR

    DBCOOPERJR New Member banned Full Member

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    Holmes is top 5 what’s Tyson- maybe cracks the top 10? Holmes had a much better career
     
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  10. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    It's not for lack of trying. Holmes and most likely every other heavyweight could never take the punishment Tyson took and still be standing either.

    Tyson never got dropped from single shots, Holmes did. That's why Holmes was able to get up on shaky legs and continue.

    Both had great chins but I'm taking Tyson over Holmes in that category any day of the week.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Read post 1.
     
  12. MaccaveliMacc

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    And Bey was a debutant, still beat Buster.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Doesn’t matter what you think. You made a false correlation either way.
     
  14. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Member Full Member

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    Nope, just countered your false correlation, so you got to trace the dumb ass argument to yourself unfortunately.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Holmes didn't want it with Tucker during his comeback if you'd rather go there.
     
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