Mike Tyson in Prime vs. Muhammad Ali in Prime, who wins?

Tyrell Biggs ?

 

Yeah Tyson really looked great against Ali 'clones' such as James Quick Tillis and James Buster Douglas. If someone responds with Michael Spinks then dont bother Ali was in a different league.

 

I would say Ali clones were fighters that emulated his style. Ali's popularity in the 70's created the clones who bursted upon the scene.

Here's a short list:

Jimmy Young
Larry Holmes
Greg Page
James Tillis
Tony Tucker
Tony Tubbs
Tyrell Biggs
Pinklon Thomas
James Douglas
Michael Dokes
Carl Williams

 

"Clone" is a bit of a stretch (esp. for Jimmy Young?) but they definitely incorporated aspects of his repertoire.

 

When I thought he was the finest fighter then walking the Planet in the late 80s, Iron Mike beat everyone in my mind but Ali. So with nearly three decades of hindsight and Tokyo et al, I am clearly not going to change my mind.

I doubt any independent member of boxing's fancy would disagree; it would ultimately be a one sided fight, and Tyson would do well to hear the final bell.

 

:good Even George Foreman admitted he wanted to dance like Ali in his early fights but his trainer told him NO.

I'm guessing the same thing happened to some of those you mention there.
Pinklon Thomas was more a "Joe Louis clone" surely.
Dokes ? He had minimal foot speed and movement.
How about Tex Cobb ??

Yeah, I see what you mean with James Tillis and Gold medallist Tyrell Biggs, and of course Louisville local Greg Page sometimes tried to live up the Ali comparisons. :good

 

Every standout hwt creates young fighters who emulate a similar style. However on that list young, Thomas, Dokes, Tucker, Tubbs, Douglas, Williams, had little to do with Ali's style of fighting. Just being a boxer rather than a slugger does not equate to Ali's style. Certainly Tillis and Page were obvious Ali wannabes.

 

In Ali...His Life and Times by Thomas Hauser, there was a mention of 7 amateurs being trained and/or funded by Ali. I cant remember the full story behind it, but there was some connection to Ali. Two of those guys were Tony Tubbs and Tony Tucker.

 

In the same book they asked Floyd Patterson, Bill Clayton, Kevin Rooney and Teddy Atlas who would win between Ali and Tyson and they all went for Ali. Rooney thought it would be close if he was in Tyson's corner.

 

He won every round against Tills. Was troubled in not knocking him out. Tyson learned to adapt that style. Watch against Holmes later on: [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMsDu9E6QA[/url]

Foreman to slow to catch the fast Ali clean repetetly. Tyson is. Its not the force behind the punch that dropped ali.

Tyson on points . UD

 

Foreman was slow, sloppy, didn't know how to place punches, and lacked stamina...

 

I posted that thread a number of years ago.

Rooney said Ali would win 8-4/9-3, but if Tyson had his head screwed on he could make it close.

 

Just cause one fighter beats another one on tuesday doesn't mean
he wins on wednesday, like Ezzard beating Walcott yet losing to the same fighter
when Walcott caught him with a deep dish beauty of a punch,( a left hook if my memory serves me correctly) I think Mike Tyson's prime was a shorter slice of time period in his total career then Ali's prime ....Also i think Ali was able to find a way to win when the chips are down as compared to Tyson finding a way to win
when his chips are down ..
Styles make fights ..prime Tyson stands a better chance against Ali then prime Foreman does Yet prime Foreman takes Tyson every time..
The 70's had better HW's then the late 80's 90's

 

Foreman was not slow. First thing Ali said to Cosell on WWS a week after the bout was that Foremans speed surprised him. The night he faced Sli very few hwt champions would have beaten Foreman. Devastating puncher, incredibly strong, great jab, tremendous will to win, great chin and killer instinct.

 

Compared to Mike Tyson he was extremely slow. He was also a bit of an oaf. His fight against Ali is one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen from an ATG fighter in his prime. Good luck trying to rope-a-dope prime Tyson.