Mike Tyson KO1 Jack Johnson?

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You keep repeating Johnson fouled,he threw one punch on the break and was warned for it,Moran rabbit punched him once and twice back- handed him.O Brien did not outbox Johnson,Johnson was not in his prime at 37,Johnson was not kod in a spar he boxed tw other sparring partners after Smith.He didnt escape with a draw there is no evidence Jim Johnson was better than him and the champion was fighting with a broken arm,unlike your hero Vitali he continued with his injury instead of quitting cold as the Ukrainian did.
Ross was good enough to beat,Flynn,Moran,Schreck,Harris,Ferguson,Gardner.and draw with Jeannette.

 

We went over the amount of punches landed by Johnson in this film and it was a very low amount. Can we agree on that? Johnson landed very few punches vs Willard on the outside and did the same vs Moran. How is he going to win vs a more activate skilled puncher like Tyson who's hurtful to the body and has a lights out short left hook and a killer uppercut? He's not, just admit it.

 

He landed much more than Willard and Moran, that's all what I'm saying.

 

You keep repeating Johnson fouled,he threw one punch on the break and was warned for it,Moran rabbit punched him once and twice back- handed him.
O Brien did not outbox Johnson.
Johnson was not in his prime at 37against Willard.
Johnson was not ko'd in a spar , he boxed two other sparring partners after Smith.
He didnt escape with a draw against Johnson he was 35 years old and hadnt boxed for a year and a half.
There is no evidence Jim Johnson was better than him and the champion was fighting with a broken arm,unlike your hero Vitali he continued with his injury instead of quitting cold as the Ukrainian did.
Ross was good enough to beat,Flynn,Moran,Schreck,Harris,Ferguson,Gardner,and draw with Jeannette.
Jim Johnson beat,Ckark,Wills,Jeannette,Black Bill,Cowler,Pelkey,and drew with Jeannette and McVey.
Anyone can reasonably say Tyson beats Johnson, but they should do so on the facts, not deliberately slanted lies as you continue to do.

 

You almost got it, yes he fouled on film Moran. Congrats!!!! Johnson also cheaply pinched Moran biceps, are you going to deny not that? A skip of this question = Yes, and I can quote you even saying this.

I realize discussing your wife beating idol, who assaulted a sickly 120 pound and participates in free mason rituals will never change your mimd, so I just prefer to list the facts and watch your excuses fly.

1 ) I can produce primary sources that say O'brien was the better. FACT He was past his best and giving up 40+ pounds!

2 ) Smith a raw novice TKO'd Johnson in a 4 round ex match. FACT

3 ) Ross lost 4 of his last 6 matches. He didn't deserve a title match and stung Johnson. The guy was a terrible, look how often he was stopped before and after facing Johnson. FACT

4 ) It appears Johnson broke his arm ( It was a slight fracture ) in round 10 during a fall as mentioned by the press ( FACT ). Jim Battling never got a re-match and you lie when you said you know the purse amount. Produce it here!

 

He did not land much vs Moran is the point, and would be meat vs Tyson.

Willard was slow with little defense, so yes he landed more on Willard. He didn't hurt him one iota. Willard also landed more on Johnson than Moran did. Willard also looks better vs. Moran in comparison to Johnson.

 

Except he did and when you watch late rounds, you can see that Moran's face wasn't in good shape.

If you say that Johnson was a low workrate fighter, then I agree with you.

If you say that Johnson didn't land more punches from outside than Moran, then I disagree with you.

If you say that Johnson struggled against Moran, then I disagree with you.

If you say that Johnson had no jab in Moran fight, then I disagree with you because his left landed on Moran almost every time he used it.

If you say that Johnson's defense doesn't look good in Moran fight, then I disagree with you. He showed plenty of mobility and his clinching tactics were very effective.

Johnson at this point of his career wasn't interested in knocking out contenders. You know that he didn't try to get hard challenges in title defenses because he liked the money and the fame. Jack Johnson from 1900s is a different fighter than old, undertrained, unmotivated Johnson from Moran and Willard fights. Despite all of these, Johnson still schooled Moran and was doing very well against Willard until he got tired.

 

Okay your turn. Count the amount of times Johnson lands on the outside in the action. It's going to be a low amount, I'm sure of it. And since you can edit when it happen, we can confirm it here. Deal?

Johnson was never interested in challenges once he became champion, he took easy fights. The French tried to strip him for not meeting Langford, or Jeanette.

I never said Johnson stuggled vs Moran, only that the fight was close and Moran was not very good. Schooled Moran is not correct. Moran won plenty of rounds. A schooling is a shut out. This fight was competitive.

 

I will try to do it later today

 

Priceless twaddle, from the HATER!
"Johnson had no trouble outpointing the white hope.Moran was aggressive and game but unable to land many effective blows.
It was a hard fought battle but Johnson won easily on points.
The game Moran was stubborn and stood up to the Champ,did most of the leading and made many friends.However Johnson's superior skill,and effective uppercuts wore down his opponent and won the match.
Moran was not able to block the terrific uppercuts.They were sent on the jaw repeatedly,when Moran least expected them and several times with such force that Moran was sent wobbling.
However there were no knockdowns or finishing blows.
At the close Moran was cut on the nose and over and under the left eye.Johnson showed no marks."
"Toward the end Johnson had the Pittsburgher absolutely at his mercy,Moran apparently feared that he would be finished and clung to Johnson for support." Ringside report The New York Herald.
So we have a 36 years old, past prime, overweight champion clearly outpointing his challenger .

 

Jack Johnson was a heavyweight who feasted on middleweights. He fought in one of the worst eras, and his skills are extremely rudimentary. The audacity of even considering him a legit competition for Tyson is laughable. Tyson destroys the weight bully in 1-3 rounds, without taking any damage.

 

I'm keen to know how personal big noting on a forum where no-one knows you from a bar of soap ruins someones fantasy? Do you think anyone actually believes you?

Where can we witness your scintillating abilities so as to judge your great chances against the likes of Marciano, Schmeling, Sharkey and heaven knows who else?

 

Like Denver Ed Martin, Sam McVea, Sandy Ferguson, Joe Jeannette, Frank Moran, James Jeffries and Joe Butler?

 

I don't doubt Johnson was physically strong. I just do not believe he had the skill set to deal with a 220 lb lighting fast footed and quick handed combination power puncher like Tyson.

I have not seen any evidence that Fitzimmons, as great as he was, was a combination puncher at that level. Regardless, he was 170 lbs, and most likely, no where near as powerful as Tyson, and he was 40 years old when Johnson beat him. Sam Langford, pound for pound, may be the greatest boxer ever. But he was merely a middleweight when Johnson beat him.

There is nothing on film that shows Johnson could have kept Tyson at bay. Yes, Johnson may be stronger in clinches but i doubt the difference would be massive. Johnson wouldn't be facing a past it Jefferies who was only a pale shadow of himself, nor would he be facing middle or light heavies. The idea that Johnson can clinch his way to a win is ridiculous.

Johnson was a revolutionary fighter and historically very important. But he was boxing when techniques were still developing and there is no evidence that he ever faced anyone with the combination of power, handspeed, footspeed, and combination punching of Tyson. Johnson would be overwhelmed at the sheer speed and power coming his way. He does not have anything to keep Tyson away.

Tyson tko 2, and possibly in round 1.