Mike Tyson KO1 Jack Johnson?

This not a fair post. Douglas on that night was brilliant and his resume after Tyson is underrated. Such a fighter was much better than anyone Johnson faced.

To flip it around by that logic if Marvin Hart could beat Johnson, Tyson would destroy him. In fact MikeTyson has a first round ko over a “Jack Johnson.”

I still think this one is over inside four rounds.

 

Boxing isn't about statistics though is it not.

Some times things happen you just can't predict.

I'd favour Tyson to beat Johnson, but the argument you made about Douglas beating Tyson is enough to cause a bit of caution when making such a pick.

 

Was Douglas brilliant? I mean was he more brilliant than other HW fighters have looked?

How sharp did Tyson look that night? How many combinations did he throw? How was his head movement? How much did he work the body? How aggressive was he in the clinches?

Douglas did the unthinkable and ended Tyson's reign. But this notion that he put on a great performance, is only a notion because of Tyson's reputation.

By the way you consider fights, you class Tyson as losing a ko to Page in the build up to this title defence.

How did you score the Marvin Hart fight? I mean if you're going to use that as your yard stick here, give me your analysis of the fight you've seen and why you believe it indicates a Tyson victory.

I was confidently picking Tyson before I read your post, but now the more I analyse the performance of Douglas the more I think Johnson could have done a job in Tokyo.

 

Get real, Johnson is a joke compared to Tyson, he stands no chance whatsoever.
Tyson KOs him in 30 seconds

 

I agree.

Johnson is definitely strong on a couple of key aspects where Tyson is weak!

 

For the record, Tyson probably would have put away most of the heavyweights of that era in 1-3 rounds, but Johnson would not have been one of them!

 

It can be said he'd have done it in any era but the men that could survive and frustrate and take him into the later rounds would always be the most dangerous ..

 

Douglas was a joke compared to Tyson. Douglas stood no chance whatsoever. Douglas was going to be knocked out in 30 seconds.

If Tyson turns up to a Johnson fight dressed as a glorified punch bag, I'd be surprised if he won.

 

I can't...he died in 1953...

 

What about the reverse, multiple people beating Jack Johnson or drawing with him that wouldn't last a New York minute vs Tyson?

 

"Perfect!!!"

 

Exactly, that's why you can't use statistics, they can be argued to show whatever you want.

If Tyson is facing Johnson, he better have trained for the fight.

 

Sure anything can happen, but anything isn't probable. There are those who'd argue vehemently that Rocky Marciano would not beat prime Muhammad Ali and while I think it's probable that Ali prevails, it's certainly not impossible that he loses. And I think it's more probable that Marciano beats Ali than Johnson beating Tyson simply because I don't have much faith in Johnson's chin.

 

Probable doesn't matter. It wasn't probable that Tyson would spend more time snorting come off hookers than he would training for a world title fight. It wasn't probable that a never was like Douglas would knock him out.

But these things happened.

My position is clear. I favour Tyson to beat Johnson. But if Tyson prepares for the fight against Johnson, the way he prepared against Douglas, I think Johnson can beat him.

 

Have you watched the fight?! Douglas was alive, his jab was active, and he finished Tyson with a combination. Douglas was big man with a long jab and some power and used it to keep Tyson at bay. 6'4" 230 pounds. Jack Johnson was nothing like this. Douglas movement was good and he showed enough of a chin / heart to get up after a knockdown.

You stand alone if you think Douglas did not put on a great performance. The phrase "Tokyo Douglas " is a phase used to desire how good he was on that night.

Tyson losing tp Page via KO? Never happened. Douglas not having a great performance? You either never saw the fights, or can't describe / recognize what are watching. Sorry, there is no other way to put it.

The papers pretty much said the same thing. Hart outworked Johnson. Hart was seen as mediocre in his times. The fact is Johnson did very little in the 2nd half of the fight. His own corner urged him to pick up the pace. He didn't. Later on in his career Johnson admitted Hart beat him in an article featured in boxing Illustrated.

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Well Lufcrazy Hart was a pressure fighter. So is Tyson. The difference is one has way more skill, speed and hit harder.

Klondike was a decent hitter, he Ko'd Jack Johnson.

Choysnki had a good hook, so did Tyson. I'll let you determine who hit harder as Choysnki knocked Johnson out cold. What would Tyson's hook do?