Mike Tyson KO1 Jack Johnson?

disagree a little here, though Tyson is hard to control. However, Holy did a good job of controlling Tyson inside when it got there. So if he could have success there, frustrate Mike there, and not get taken out; so somebody like Johnson, who is even better in the clinch, certainly should be able to do some work in there, and frustrate Mike no?

 

You can cut clips on streamable, but you don't need to. Just show me these moments of Moran landing from outside, give me the time on video when he lands.

 

About the only time he landed a significant punch on Johnson in 20rds was the time Johnson stopped and applauded him,and that was a 36 years old ,222lbs Johnson.

"The battle was hard fought, but Johnson won easily. Moran was game and stubborn and did most of the leading. Johnson's superior skill was effective and his upper-cutting wore Moran down and won the contest. . . . There were no knockdowns, or anything resembling a finishing blow in the fight. At the close Moran's face was bleeding from a cut under the nose and left eye. Johnson showed no marks."

 

Oh, I see - you're talking about one punch that landed in 20 rounds fight and Johnson clowned him after that? Is that your proof of Johnson losing on outside? Because Jack hit him much more than once.

 

Johnny, be good..

 

Johnson had very unique lead hand, he didn't use the same techinique as most jabbers do today. He used it more like a counter punch and it carried some power there. Of course he was outstanding at manipulating opponent's arms as well.

 

How do I do this? Cut clips on a streamable? Teach me, I 've got some nice film I might share.

Using the blow link, ( I suggest you mute it because the commentators have not clue about what they are talking about )

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2:33 Moran lands a long body shot. Johnson' guard is low. You wanted an example of Moran landing from the outside here it is

3:22 Moran throws a hook to the head, it doesn't land solidly but lands. So far Johnson is hardly throwing punches, is wide open to a straight jab, and would be dog meat vs any skilled larger heavyweight. His lower body from his need to ankle look stiff.

4:35 round over, which was about even. I see very little clinching. Mostly dancing around, not much to see here. Johnson lands up close not from a distance so far. He is showing zero jab, and next to no outside game...he's not in there with a short stationary man with limited skills like Stanley Ketchel where he showed a jab and outside game.

4:54 we move to round 5, which is Moran's round.

6:42 Moran lands some to the stomach.

6:56 Johnson clinches and lands his uppercut, Moran lands a few to the body.

7:09 Moran continue to push Johnson backward, and land short body shots. Where is this Johnson dominating in a clinch? What If I used this clip, on Johnson's clinching? See how unfair a 5 second clip could be? I hope so.

7:37 round 8. Tyson would have had both to these guys out inside 5 combined rounds, the fight is boring with little doing, and little damage.

7:59 Moran lands his left from a distance. Is this what you wanted to see? Johnson acknowledges and applauds.

I have to run now, but can continue. This fight is pretty much even based on the show footage. While Johnson was older, Moran would not be ranked in the top 30 today. The film is clear enough to judge. I think I've proven my point. This is an awful fight to watch.

 

Reporters present said Johnson won clearly and finished unmarked whereas Moran was cut and bruised .
Johnson was 36 years old and at 222lbs ,14lbs over the weight he was for Jeffries.That's the same age Tyson was for Lennox Lewis.

 

Don't worry, I'll do it for you

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It's tough to say because the video is cut just before he started to punch, but when I watch it in slow motion, I don't see this punch landing. Even if it did, Johnson backed up quickly enough to avoid the power of this shot.

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Again, watch it in slow motion - this hook didn't land.

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He missed first two punches and landed third one to the body.

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Come on, these punches are nothing... He has no leverage here and Johnson isn't concerned about these arm punches at all.

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Moran didn't push Johnson here, Jack simple gave up space. You can see that he didn't try to wrestle for position with Moran. It's not comparable to what Johnson did to him a few times in this fight.

https://streamable.com/ivpo02
Yes! This is one of very few times when Moran landed on Johnson from outside, he set this left up nicely with shift. This is the only punch you showed that clearly landed and Johnson doesn't look concerned about the punch - he clowned him just seconds later.

 

Fair and objective breakdown.

 

lol you're delusional.

 

I'm sorry that I've ruined your fantasy world, but it's time to wake up and smell reality: old timers from the turn of the century are no match for modern boxers.

 

You are not modern boxer and Sharkey, Schmeling and Marciano are not from the turn of the century.

Time to wake up, you don't hit harder than Shavers, you're not almost as fast as Ali, you're not more skilled than Schmeling and you're not more durable than any top tier heavyweight.

 

1 ) It landed Johnson backed up as it did.

2 ) You might say these aren't significant body punches, but in a fight with few thrown and even fewer landed by Johnson, they count for Moran.

3 ) Moran pushes Johnson who had about 20 pounds on him around the ring in that clip. I have not seen anything comparable by Johnson doing something like this to Moran in the 6 minutes of footage where I stopped.

4 ) Congrats, you saw it. Yes it landed. Now can you show me where Johnson lands from arm's length? He's mostly an in-fighter just like I said. He can land from a distance vs super middle weights or short me, that I do not doubt. Vs Willard Johnson had no outside game at all.

We've been over this fight before. Johnson lands few punches, fouls and wins, but hardly by a big margin. Since Johnson is not a big puncher, and he throws few punches he's either going to be our worked by the bigger / better boxers or Ko'd by the bigger punchers. It's that simple. Lucky for him he the last really good boxer he faced was O'brien 160-162 who according to primary sources out boxed him! The last really good puncher in his prime Johnson faced was Willard, and he Ko'd him. In other fights as champion, Johnson was Ko'd in a 4 round ex match vs Gunboat Smith, who was a novice, escaped with a draw vs Jim Battling Johnson who had a journeyman's record, stung by a really bad short and fat fighter in Ross, and floored and hurt by 5'9: Stanley Ketchel, who wasn't very skilled. This is not impressive, it's the opposite. And people think he has a chance vs Mike Tyson?!

Now, let's compare this " action " to Mike Tyson who would absolutely knock Johnson flat. I see more skills, power and speed in this short clip than 20 minutes of what Johnson did vs Moran, don' t you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOHvMqAgcmc

 

It's impossible to say, but with slow motion it seems that Johnson avoided it quick enough.

Fair enough.

He didn't push him, Johnson gave up space for purpose. It's clear on the film...

Do you really want to show you all landed Johnson lefts from outside? Because there were a lot of them in this fight and I'm certain that it won't change your opinion at all.
Johnson landed plenty of shots against Willard as well, but as I said, it won't change your opinion.