Mike Tyson takes the title to prison, an alternative heavyweight history.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    As you all know, Mike Tyson lost the title to James Douglas in Tokyo, in February of 1990.

    The contract for the fight included a rematch clause, which was not exercised for reasons of boxing politics that I will not bore you with.

    Instead Holyfield took the title from Douglas, Tyson took back to back fights against Ruddock, then Tyson went to jail.

    So what if the rematch clause had been honored?

    Holyfield lifted teh title from Douglas in October of 1990, and Tyson's **** trial started in January of 92, so there was more than enough time for a rematch to happen.

    Let's say that Tyson won the rematch, and held all teh belts when he went to prison in March of 92?

    His prison sentence lasts until March of 95, which encompasses the first tow fights between Holyfield and Bowe, the title reign of Michael Moorer, and old man Foreman lifting the title.

    It also encompasses a fair few alphabet titles changing hands.

    So what happens in this alternative timeline?

    I am not binding you to any of the assumptions that I have made, if you want to go off piste a bit.
     
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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    No one would consider anyone else champion until Tyson returned from prison. Just like people didn't consider Frazier as champion until Ali returned and they fought each other.
     
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  3. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    I think Evander Holyfield would have taken the Lineal Belt from Mike Tyson sometime (soon) after Tyson left Prison. I believe Mike would have defended against Holyfield because the money would have been huge and Tyson's people would likely have thought that Mike would probably beat Evander. It probably would have been previewed as a win - win for Tyson and Company.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    In that case we would view Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer and George Foreman very differently today.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting idea.

    Well, we can start with who the alphabet orgs ranked when Tyson was sent to prison.

    Who picks up those vacant belts will play a big role in how the Tyson "prison years" play out.

    Mike Tyson was the number one contender in the WBC, WBA and IBF ratings at the start of 1992. The undefeated Holyfield would've been in that spot if he'd never got a shot at Douglas and wasn't the champ in 1992.

    In January 1992, the actual WBA ratings were:
    1. Tyson (so let's put Holyfield there)
    2. Pierre Coetzer
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. George Foreman
    5. Riddick Bowe
    6. Razor Ruddock
    7. Tim Witherspoon
    8. Michael Moorer
    9. Bert Cooper
    10. Phil Jackson

    In January 1992, the actual WBC ratings were:
    1. Tyson (so let's put Holyfield there)
    2. Riddick Bowe
    3. Razor Ruddock
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Michael Moorer
    6. George Foreman
    7. Tony Tucker
    8. Tim Witherspoon
    9. Phil Jackson
    10. Bert Cooper

    In March 1992, when Tyson was in jail, the IBF ratings were
    Champ: Holyfield (so let's make him the #1 contender)
    1. Holyfield
    (And the actual IBF #1 thru #9 contenders were the following)
    2. George Foreman
    3. Pierre Coetzer
    4. Riddick Bowe
    5. Lennox Lewis
    6. Razor Ruddock
    7. Michael Moorer
    8. Tim Witherspoon
    9. Larry Holmes (who just beat Mercer)
    10. Ray Mercer

    So, who fights for the vacant belts - WBC, WBA and IBF?

    That depends on which belt everyone's top contender Holyfield decides to go after. He's the key to all the matchups.

    If Evander goes after the WBC strap, it looks like Holyfield-Bowe in early 1992. I doubt Holyfield goes after the vacant IBF belt and Foreman in a rematch of their 1991 fight, as I don't know if people would've wanted to see that again. If Evander took the easy route and the WBA belt, #1 Holyfield could've fought #2 Coetzer for that vacant strap.

    Pierre Coetzer likely would've gotten a vacant WBA or IBF shot against someone (Holyfield or Lewis).

    If Evander goes after the WBA or IBF straps, the vacant WBC title matchup is #2 Bowe vs. #3 Ruddock.

    So, in spring of 1992, we could've gotten ...

    Scenario 1:
    WBA #1 Holyfield vs. WBA #2 Coetzer for the vacant WBA belt
    WBC #2 Bowe vs. WBC #3 Ruddock for the vacant WBC belt
    IBF #1 Foreman vs. IBF #3 Lewis for the vacant IBF belt

    Or Scenario 2:
    WBC #1 Holyfield vs. WBC #2 Bowe for the vacant WBC belt (a matchup we did get later in 1992)
    WBA #2 Coetzer vs. WBA #3 Lewis for the vacant WBA belt
    IBF #2 Foreman vs. IBF #6 Ruddock for the vacant IBF belt

    Or Scenario 3:
    IBF #1 Holyfield vs. IBF #2 Foreman in a rematch for the vacant IBF belt (a matchup I feel was least likely)
    WBC #2 Bowe vs. WBC #3 Ruddock for the vacant WBC belt
    WBA #2 Coetzer vs. WBA #3 Lewis for the vacant WBA belt

    I feel scenario #1 or #2 is most likely. I just don't see Holyfield agreeing to a rematch with Foreman in 1992. He caught a lot of flack for fighting him the first time.

    But I'd lean toward Scenario #2. Evander wanted one of the young guys. Not Pierre Coetzer or Foreman (again).

    So he'd have gone after a vacant WBC fight with Bowe and we would've seen:

    Bowe-Holyfield 1 for the vacant WBC belt (about six months earlier than they did fight)
    Lewis demolishing Pierre Coetzer for the vacant WBA belt.
    And Foreman and Ruddock battling it out for the vacant IBF strap. (That's a toss-up.)
     
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