Mike Tyson, Top Ten Worthy?

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Damn......

Hope he keeps it together.

 

Homicide I do think your very unfair the way you critisize Tysons competition. Tyson was the only heavyweight from 1985-Present that has Unified ALL 3 MAJOR belts in a one year span...NO one has replicated this. Hell, Larry Holmes never even unified one belt. Tyson also dominated I mean literally dominated Alpha Champions/Top Contenders that had never been down before and were rated extrmeley high. Some of the men tyson dominated were men Larry Holmes ducked later in his career. I think Tyson beat some of the most highly talented big men of all time...Men like Tubbs Tucker Thomas Williams had some serious skills and men like Bonecrusher Bruno Ruddock had some serious Power and Berbick was a very strong durable swarmer.

 

why in the world in sullivan there?

 

a bareknuckle great cannot possibly be rated alongside those who actually fought using gloves

 

Sullivan fought four bouts with bare knuckles and over 100 with gloves.

I would say that makes him primarily a gloved fighter.

 

Sullivan cannot possibly be ranked because he ducked Black Fighters. He completley drew the color line. "I never fought a negro and I never shall". I HATE THIS, Tunney and Dempsey did the same thing too. You cannot rate a man highly if he did not defeat the top black contenders of his era....this eliminates alot of the comptetiion if your only picking on white softies.

 

but there is little footage of sullivan to judge him from

 

Any white fighters who drew the color line/or didnt take on black fighters...automatically should be hugely penalized in my book! No exceptions. No exuses! Its pathetic!!

 

But Peter Jackson came at the END of Sullivan's rein, It would not hurt John L if he lost to Jackson. IT would have been like Louis Marciano or Ali Holmes type of affair.
Jackson came in the 1890's. Sullivan's was the 1880's.

Sullivan did fought and beat MOST of the best of the 1880's. And did have a fight ready with Godfrey, until the police step in and stop the fight from taking place, with both fighters in the ring.

 

I suppose we can knock Harry Greb off the top ten of middleweights than>?

Sullivan was a icon. He is in the top ten imo.

 

Tyson could have been the #1 heavyweight of all time ahead of Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali and Marciano. Tyson was beating everyone in front of him and at one time was quite possibly the best combination of Frazier, Patterson and Marciano. The only notable weaknesses is Tyson's heart and endurance, which he never really had to show. Tyson went the twelve round distance with Tucker, Green and James Smith, but he never went fifteen rounds.

Who knows how many times people on this forum have lamented the what ifs, especially if Cus D'Amato had lived through his championship, and if Teddy Atlas stayed with him. I can say truthfully that Tyson would have held the title for at least 2 more years, with the only serious threats being Razor Ruddock, Lennox Lewis and quite possibly Riddick Bowe. Holyfield is not beating the pre-exile Mike Tyson, but makes a competive fight before being stopped himself.

 

are we still talking about tyson's career as a whole b/c in that aspect their can't be anyway he cracks the top ten. Pre prison Tyson 86-89 hell yeah he easily is at 5 or 4 or **** maybe even 3 but we have to look at his whole career. i know you guys that are saying he is easily is top ten are only thinking about tyson that had it together. i love that version of tyson he is hands down the most exciting fighter ever. but that isnt the case. he didnt beat holyfield, lewis.lost to danny williams and Kevin McBride? i mean it is painful not to have him where he belongs honestly. as crazy and nutty as the guy is you can't help to love and admire the guy, but this is not about everybody's admiration for mike it is about whether he belongs in the top ten. and due to his two losses to holyfield and losses to lewis it's extremly hard for me to not have in in my top ten but i have to.