Mike Tyson vs Ali opponents

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  1. BoxerFan89

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    Prime Tyson was 216lbs. Prime Foreman was 218lbs. Prime Foreman was still much stronger.

    Prime Holyfield even said Fat Foreman hit harder than Tyson or Lewis. Lewis was 250lbs and yet he can't match a prime Foreman's power.
     
  2. uncletermite

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    Prime Tyson was closer to 220 and prime foreman closer to 220 WRONG!


    Regardless foreman can be ANY weight he would not beat a well trained Tyson in any year in his 20's.


    "I cant say Foreman hit harder than Tyson,i never stayed in front of Tyson I moved continuosly,with foreman I slugged it out" E.Holyfield

    Lets say he did think foreman hit harder,he was 15 pounds lighter or so vs foreman,he was a hulk looking monster vs Tyson!So as usual you point is pointless.
     
  3. BoxerFan89

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    Tyson for the Spinks fight was 218 1/2lbs. 1970s Foreman fluctuated from 217 to 224lbs (between first and second Frazier fight).

    Anyway Holyfield testified Foreman hit the hardest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwWynfQKLc

    Even if we were to accept Tyson didn't hit him properly (which isn't true, as we can see from the first two fights, Tyson did hit him), he admitted he hit him harder than ANY fighter, which automatically includes Superheavyweight Lennox Lewis.

    And Holyfield was NOT 15lbs lighter, why do you repeat this lie?

    He was 208lbs for Foreman:

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Evander_Holyfield_vs._George_Foreman

    215lbs for Tyson and Lewis:

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Mike_Tyson_vs._Evander_Holyfield_(1st_meeting)

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Lennox_Lewis_vs._Evander_Holyfield_(1st_meeting)

    The Holyfield who fought Lewis was 37 years old, far past his prime, had worse timing and was not as fast. There's nothing to suggest him being bulkier and slower made him take shots better. So again, that point fails.

    Prime Foreman stomps Tyson easily in 3 rounds. Tyson's style is made for fighters like Foreman.
     
  4. uncletermite

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    Prime Holyfield almost gets k.od by a Tyson replacement in 91?:lol:


    you also fail AGAIN at getting the correct info..firstly that holyfield statement was before he fought Tyson,secondly the newer vid on "Holyfield on the hardest hitter he faced" tells another story!:roll:


    10/15 anywhere in between who cares Holyfield was bigger and stronger vs Tyson,who again at this point is still good but way past his best where Holyfield took advantage of that clash but still struggled a prime Tyson would hand him his head within 7.
     
  5. BoxerFan89

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    Yes, Holyfield from 90-91 was prime. He was faster, sharper and a better boxer; the Holyfield from the Tyson fights was old, past his prime, sluggish and coming off losses from Michael Moorer and Rid**** Bowe. Most commentators knew he was past it then.
     
  6. uncletermite

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    if that is Holyfields prime he would not be a power puncher,Cooper was a Tyson like style fighter so once again your own comment shows why Tyson is favored over Holyfield,yet this is still about Ali's opponents isn't it?:roll:
     
  7. BoxerFan89

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    Because Holyfield WASN'T a power puncher. He didn't have natural KO power. My comment was in reference to the fact that Holyfield said Foreman hit harder than anyone he's ever faced, that includes Bowe, Tyson and Lewis (superheavyweight).
     
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    And that was before Tyson even fought Holyfield ,a HIGHER weight Holyfield..you don't know what you are talking about this was established numerous times ,its irrelevant anyway because Foreman did hit him harder because he landed more flush shots and that was already covered as well.:patsch
     
  9. energie

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    tyson beats them all except for foreman
     
  10. Knights107

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    Absolutely tyson will lose to Liston & Foreman.

    32th tyson questionable lose to jimmy young.

    it's amazing to see shavers landed his BOOMBS to Tyson chin, will tyson get up? & frazier left hook..

    shavers BOOMBS who dropped holmes & rocked Ali.. prime tyson absolutely still stand.. but 32th Tyson? it's 50:50. how about your opinion?
     
  11. Big Ukrainian

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    Well I think Tyson does quite well agains all in the 1st reign (and can beat Liston, though it's not written on the wall).

    As for Tyson vs 2nd reign opponents, he loses to Foreman, 34 y.o. Tyson gets beaten by Young, and at almost 36 (like Ali vs Shavers was) he'd likely got knocked out by Shavers. If Danny Williams could do it, then Shavers could, too.
     
  12. BoxerFan89

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    This is so ****ing stupid. Holyfield was better because he was heavier? By that logic, the 234lb Tyson who fought Lennox Lewis was better than the 217lb Tyson who beat Trevor Berbick.

    ****ing idiot.
     
  13. SmackDaBum

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    You are stupid. Tyson was not a swarmer. Tyson's a counter puncher. And Frazier would't stand a chance at all.
     
  14. SmackDaBum

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    Old Foreman hit harder than young Foreman due to mass. And Lewis hit harder than Foreman and Tyson.
     
  15. uncletermite

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    Yes "STUPID" is the perfect word to describe him but I was thinking more "SLOW"!:deal