Something else to consider in a matchup like this would be Tyson's mental state: Cus obviously tried to make Tyson replicate Frazier's style. Thus he probably warned Mike about fighting someone like Foreman. I think Mike's style was superior to Frazier's with simple things such as he didn't lead with his head and could put you down with either hand. So in conclusion to all of this I think that Foreman would knock Tyson out on the count of Mike would have no confidence against him and with someone like Mike he would need that confidence to make a fight out of it. He would have been defeated before he ever stepped in the ring and probably would never have even accepted the fight. I think an easily discouraged and fearful Mike gets taken out within the first four rounds. Now you could flip flop the situation and say that if somehow Mike went into this fight with confidence and a set mindframe, I believe he would knock out Foreman somewhere around the 6th round. Either way it would be a hell of a fight.
Think Tyson would win. Foreman wasn't as fast as in his prime and wouldn't have the offense to keep mike off. Tyson would be landing at will and when Tysons hitting you at will.... well you know the rest
Great take! Mike's mental state up until he climbs into the ring could be #1 factor here; which Tyson shows up that night, the stone killer or the little boy?
what? frazier isnt the heavyweight that tyson was compared to the most? tyson didnt have the same swarming style with head movement to get him inside? if not frazier then who else?
I get you, but if you read my initial post (the thread), i have outlined some of their differences. The style maybe similar, but Tyson used much more footwork to his advantage to open guys up, whereas Frazier really was a swarmer who relied on his big left.
true and Tyson didnt have Frazier's biggest flaw which imo was leading with his head. I was just saying that I thought that Cus used Frazier as something to look up to while training Tyson if you know what I mean.
Tyson was a shorter, beefier version of Floyd Patterson. When you think about it it's really obvious.
Oh my bad atsch , I just assumed because of all the similarities between Tyson and Frazier. But I didnt really mean to stress that as much as I thought that Cus would have told Tyson that someone with Foreman's style would be his cryptonite. Like it would have hurt his confidence to be fighting Foreman, a puncher who has the potential to keep mike off him if he can land on him.
We've had this matchup many, many times and each time I've picked Tyson. The thing for me is this: In his heyday, Tyson was disciplined. George never was. George was reckless and extremely wild at times. His defence was also sorely lacking, consisting of throwing his arms up in the air to deflect punches, which is barely a defence at all. He also wound up his punches like a barroom brawler. He is going to be there to be hit all day since Tyson brings handspeed vastly superior into the ring and will exploit those technical deficiences.
Tyson, Better handspeed, better stamina, better chin and techinically more proficient. George will have problems establishing himself. He'll land a big shot or two but not nearly enough to change the tide nor will it be enough to keep Tyson off him. Foreman's inability to keep Tyson from landing is why I lean towards Mike. Tyson TKO5