Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier

What you must realize is that holyfield and frazier were almost completely different fighters aside from the fact that they both had warriors heart. Evander had physical advantages that frazier didn't have as well as being a more skilled fighter who knew how to effectively use those advantages against tyson (even though i doubt he could have done this against a prime tyson).

 

A lot of people have this down as virtualy a foregone conclusion in favour of Tyson but I don't.

If I was actualy watching the fight, I would not know what was going to hapen in the early rounds, and if it got past round four I would know that anything was on the cards.

 

I like smokin' Joe, definitely an ATG imo, but prime Tyson would KO him in 3 or 4 rounds, maybe earlier even.

Just an observation, but imo, 90's/post-prison Tyson was a modern version of Joe frazier in many respects.

 

This fight wont last long , Both fighters come forward and dont know what other way to fight . Tyson TKO 3rd/4th rnd

 

i used to think that you are a garbage poster but now saying that foreman was not a good finisher(i think that during his prime he stopped every fighter that he did hurt, and of course during his prime he stopped every guy that he knocked down, even in his second carreer at 40s , i think that just stewart survived after he got dropped, because he ran from a slow fat man) of course foreman is one of the best finishers in the history of the hw division, now i think that you are nothing but a poor Buffoon:hi:

 

I'm a big fan of Tyson but i think he loses here. People are mentioning Tyson's explosive starts but a lot of those were against opponents who were passive and simply in there to survive.
Frazier although he'd be taking plenty would also be dishing out plenty his punch rate has already been mentioned earlier.
Even when receiving huge bombs and being dumped on the floor by Foreman he was constantly firing back he actually caught George with some big hooks. Bruno who did fire back early against Tyson did shake him up and Frazier would be throwing a lot more leather than Frank.
Even if it meant he had to come off the canvas I think Smoking Joe would come through the storm and stop Tyson sometime after the 10th

 

Foregone conclusion, Tyson stoppage. Just like how Liston would quit against half the other ATGs.

 

Ok....taking Tysons career as a body of work and factoring in when things occurred and under what circumstances and while with whatever trainer he was with at the time etc etc we have seen Every time Tyson lose he has lost by knockout....and against the best three it occurred between 8th and 11th rounds so you might think it more likely that any defeat to a world champion level fighter is probably likely to occur somewhere around those rounds as the rule, and as his career has given us at least, via stoppage/KO....and if it follows that Tyson has nevergot up to win a fight then again you might suspect that if Frazier gets Tyson down at some point in the fight then you could probably suspect there's only gunna be one outcome...as per previous history....and if we have seen that those that have offered stiff resistance (even without a truly world champion level of ability) have taken Tyson the distance at the very least a la Mitch Green, James Tillis, Tony Tucker, Razor Ruddock....and then factor in that Joe Frazier proved that he could come back from knock downs to win fights and come back in very tough fights to win (and inside the distance) and aside from Muhammad Ali only really Bonavena forced him the route in fact only really one man didnt get knocked out on Frazier's way to the title - ie more often than not Frazier generally got his man inside the distance whatever the occasion...and 14 stoppage wins inside 3 rounds attests to the fact the Frazier wasnt exactly a slow starter himself....lets be honest when Tysons competition was stepped up then generally the quick knockouts ceased ie first toughie Jesse Ferguson went 6 (no quick blast out there surprise surprise), Jose Ribalta (again a step up from the pushovers) goes into 10th, Pinky again no quick blast out, Biggs again goes 7 so he don't get blasted away in 2?...lets be honest all those quick knockouts early in his career came against ham n eggers at best, that ain't gunna happen to Joe Frazier no way....things suggest (suggest) to me that it would be more likely to me for Frazier to overcome Tyson than the other way round? Did Tyson ever stop anyone of the toughness and chin of George Chuvalo? In hisentire career? Did Tyson ever win a slugfest for the ages like Frazier did against Quarry? Was Tyson ever in a real fight that he won in his peak days? The first fight he ever had where the opponent could have been said to have been truly fighting him back he lost? An don't give me "that wasn't the real Tyson" - he was 24 years old for christs sake!? No sorry, I genuinely don't say it with great conviction but when I look at everything in a real sense it suggests that Tyson might be the first to buckle here

 

If it goes into the mid rounds and Frazier is still there I would give him a good shot of wearing Tyson down to the body and beating Mike on the inside.

Problem is I don't think he had that good of a chance of getting through those explosive early rounds. The uppercut would be his undoing. Tyson was fast and could rip with both hands.

 

I always thought Mike would beat Joe easily. Bigger two fisted assault. If it was a war. Joe would win,

 

tyson never was bigger than frazier actually, tyson fought packed of muscle, frazier had a more natural body, more a body of old school boxer, but their frames were similar, the heaviest prime frazier weighed 210 pounds( at 28 in 1972 he did carry pretty well 217 pounds against ron stander), but ok in his peak he weighed 210 pounds against bob foster, the highest weight of prime tyson was around 220 pounds, and he usually fought at 217, i think that the best weight for tyson was 215 pounds (holmes fight),joe usually fought at 207 in his prime, tyson was barely 10 pounds heavier... tyson was not bigger than frazier, you can say that he had maybe stylistical advantage and he was a faster starter, but the point of the size is pure nonsense.

 

Yeah my favourite Tyson was the one who took Mitch Green back to Brooklyn and in that one Tyson weighed 214 so you know the size difference is really of little significance here if you think the best Frazier came in at 205 for FOTC - what's that 9lbs? George Chuvalo was a bigger guy than Tyson and more immovable and Frazier forced him to back up and damaged him to the point where he had to turn an cower away and be saved from Frazier by the referee - Tyson's extra half a stone wouldn't matter one iota

 

The two things i'd give Frazier over Mike, is heart and stamina. Pre-prison Tyson wins in every other department. Frazier's style and skills always reminded me of how Tyson was after prison. I think prime Joe stands a good chance against a post-prison Tyson, and would definitely beat the post 2000 version. Frazier was too old-school one dimensional, prime-time Mike 87 - 88/89 would be too much for him.

 

I don't see that.

Tyson came out of prison muscle bound and slower than he had been. He was a 3-5 round fighter. He didn't work inside.

Frazier on the other hand was a Pitbull who built the tempo as the fight wore on. He worked his way inside and stayed on you.