Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier

Yesterday i was watching old fights again and i watched tyson vs steve zouski (and foreman vs zouski). Tyson was a very special kid since he was very very young, his skill was great when he had the discipline. He looked even better when he was a little lighter at 212-214. In his early career he was compared with joe frazier

 

After the fight I remember Holmes offered an analogy. Getting hit by Ernie Shavers was like getting run over by a Mack Truck. Getting hit by Tyson was like getting run down by a Corvette.

 

Tyson by early stoppage

 

Comparing foreman with these 3 tomato cans lmao

 

All three were big punchers.Two held versions of the world title.

 

This is a dream fight and a very interesting discussion but some false assumptions are being made.
1) The Foreman/Frazier fight tells us nothing about the outcome of Tyson/Frazier. First this was not a prome Frazier as even Foreman has repeatingly said. Second, Foreman won using a tactic Tyson would not be capable of using. He ILLEGALLY shoved Frazier away from him repeatingly and was finally warned by the ref in the second round way to late to change the outcome. Without the shoving Frazier would have been to close to Foreman for George to tee off like he did. And Tyson feared even an old Foreman turning down a potential 100 million dollar fight and telling Dion King "If you like him that much you fight him'! Does anyone think Tyson would have gone any longer than Frazier did with a prime Foreman?? More importantly do you think he would have even wanted to get up 6 times?

The fight that is most comparable to Tyson/Frazier is without a doubt Frazier/Quarry I.
Quarry is not as good as Tyson but frankly he is close enough that that should be the comparison we should look at. Quarry could punch as witnessed by his one round destruction of Ernie Shavers and he could take a punch (and he had far more heart than Tyson). As for a Tyson fight against a guy trying to fight inside look at Tyson/Buster Mathais Jr on You Tube. In the words of Max Schmelling "I see something". Frazier is FAR superior to Mathais junior.

2) Tyson was ALWAYS mentally fragile according to trainer Teddy Atlas who worked with him with D'Amaro. This was not something that came later in his career. Could Tyson have handled all the pressure of the buildup to a Super Fight in the months leading up to it the way Frazier had to deal with it against Ali? Well the only thing that remotely resembled a super fight with a real opponent that would fight back for Mike was Tyson/Holyfield II (the first one people no one gave Holyfield a chance).
Their was a great interest and built up for that fight more than any other Tyson fight. How well did Tyson handle that?
3) Its assumed Frazier is going to start slow but this is where your corner and your trainers are going to play a part. Joe Louis was considered a slow starter to but he was trained to come out smoking in the second Schmelling fight. And again Frazier had great corner men in Yancy Durham and Eddie Futch. They were far superior to anyone Tyson had after Kevin Rooney (who was good but not at the level of Futch). Frazier is going to be warmed up and ready for Tyson. Now go back and watch Tyson/Mathias and Quarry/Frazier again.
4) Interestingly RING MAGAZINE (Sept. 2018) just did their version of this dream fight using the
Compubox data they had from Frazier and Tyson prime fights. Their predicted Frazier by a 12 round TKO. I like their expertise a lot more than many of the amatuer predictors here who seem unable to weigh the evidence fairly. I will grant this, in a fight with punchers anything could happen. Tyson could win but weighing in all the factors I have to pick Frazier by 10 round TKO. Tyson is used to rushing out at an intiminated fleeing opponent. How's his mentality going to be to see one rushing out to greet him and one with a reputation for punching back....HARD

 

Tyson, fairly early tko.

He was faster, had a much better offensive arsenal, bigger, better defensively, and more durable.

 

Does the fact that the only living people to ever share a ring with them both, Larry Holmes, said that Frazier would win make a difference? Larry often seems to be motivated by bitterness so perhaps not.

 

mrkoolkevin go watch Tyson/Mathias Jr. Tyson had trouble with fighters who crowded him
and trust me if you have never watch Frazier. He is not, feather fisted like Mathias Jr.. He is going
to hit Tyson back and bring some doubt in Mike's mind and as Ring Magazine noted Joe Frazier is
boxing's ultimate heart moniitor! Mike Tyson never passed those tests, why would he start now?
AND I meant to add a fifth point to my 4 listed above.
5) Who was the closest to Frazier mentally of anyone Tyson ever fought? Well....
I think you know - Evander Holyfield. Tyson failed that test to. And Frazier hit
a lot harder than Holyfield

 

I'm not so sure Frazier hit a lot harder than Holyfield,and I think Tyson has a better chin than Joe, and two fisted power that Joe lacked,he is also bigger and faster and has a much greater variety of punches.. Tyson by ko .

 

I just don't see Frazier getting out of those early rounds. If he did I like his chances better. Tysons uppercuts would be a problem for Joe I believe. His hands were fast in the early rounds.

 

Man not sure. Think Tyson’s speed beats joe to the punch and he most likely wins. But if Joe survives past round 6 it’s his.

 

Frazier did not survive Foremans punches and neither would he survive Tysons......Tyson hit on a similar level but with ten fold speed over Foreman in combinations.....plus Frazier is a very slow starter, this could be a replay of the Marvin fight....anyway there are no intangibles , frazier like marciano will not make it into the latter rounds.

 

Since no one seems to have watched it that is commenting on how fast Tyson will blow out Frazier,
I will say it again go watch Tyson/Mathias Jr and tell me why Frazier won't do better??
Also somebody mentioned Ruddock, Bruno and Smith in the same breath as Foreman,
what a joke. Ruddock was knocked out cold by glass jaw Tommy Morrison, Burno was slow and
had a glass jaw, Smith got beat by Joe Fraziers son Marvis. How can any clown think Frazier isn't going to beat these guys??? They weren't even half of George Foreman!
I again suggest get the RING magazine the devoted 3 pages to this fight analysis.
If anyone does all of the above then comment