Thats a good one my friend, they may even pull a Sonny Banks om me too, Lol. I cannot insult a wife abusing God like that, what would JAWS think? Ha Ha.
Hey they gonna pull Doug Jones or Jimmy Young on you better watch out haha... I cannot insult a man who abused girls few times and even when he wae young in his own gym...I am crazy how dare I am...
And you cannot insult a man that did not have a prime without Kevin Rooney, or a man that abused frail Ruth Roper, or even Ms Washington, ouch, Ha Ha. Buster Douglas might come out and haunt you. Ha Ha Lol.
No way...he was so past his best against Douglas....hahahhahahaa(he was 23)! Do not mentioned that,he was so green against tillis and broke every bonr and had every health issue before that fight
How about Joe's little son, Marvis Frazier? Or how he got frustrated by the Bonehugger, they call Smith, in 1987, 12 rounds, Ha Ha. Tony The Tiger will say Heees Greaaat, Lol, in his dreams. 23 and finished, when Ali was 23, he was beating the likes of Liston and Patterson quite easily. Funny but in Muhammad Ali's prime, 1964-1967, nobody beat Ali, Joe Frazier beat a rusty Ali in 1971, good fair win for Joe, but what about in 1967?, nobody put Ali on his seat during his first title reign.
Frazier did, so that means Tyson would too. And a lot easier. Styles make fights. And Ali is not the greatest, that title belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson.
Shavers and Foreman were nowhere near as accurate as Tyson, he could land far more on Ali than they did. And Liston was old, barely trained for the first Ali fight and injured his shoulder. Took a dive in the second. Boxing is all about styles and Tyson was trained since he was a kid to beat up Ali type boxers. Ali will always thrive against sluggers, but he'll always struggle against swarmers. Patterson was not more skilled than Tyson. The peek a boo style suited Tyson far better due to his physical attributes. Without the back injury, Patterson would make their first encounter a lot more competitive. And in the 70s, Patterson was way more past his best than Ali was. Patterson was a lot older.
60s Ali makes Mike look really bad, moving and making him eat that twisting jab again and again. Stopped in 8, with Mike getting floored then staggering all over the ring. 1970-1974 Ali has a harder time, and quite conceivably gets knocked down. but after 10 rounds Mike gets counted out.
Really good truthful post, but some poster will use the 1963 Henry Cooper left hook on your posts, they never talk about how Ali tore up Cooper in 1966, selective memory I suppose, but we are dealing with Lord Tyson.
Ali KO at some point 6 or after, I see Tyson doing his thing early on, but Ali possibly the greatest at surviving when hurt or avoiding a barrage, Tyson would win the first 2 or 3 based on work rate, but I think Ali really starts to take over big after that when Tyson can no longer keep up that work rate and Ali is too smart to let Tyson regain his energy, he would keep working on him from range and breaking his will, throwing feints and constantly hitting him and making him miss and in the end stops him or knocks him out whilst Tyson is spent
Some of what you say is hard to follow because of language issues, but I respect that English is not your first language. But please be specific in responding to my thoughts thank you. 1) It is extreme & severaly hurts your credibility when you say Tyson was "nothing special". That means he was not even a world class quality fighter, when even all but his most biased or hate-fueled detractors admit he was a valid champion. 2) The '80s was absolutely not the "weakest era". There was great talent, many did not realize their potential due to reasons such as drugs, but just with the talent *& size of HWs-& you know much was happening with Duran Hagler Leonard in lower divisions-it was a decent era. 3) You are completely factually mistaken about Mitch Green, & I hope you have the integrity & personal security to admit it. Tyson was his 18th professional fight, but the massive error is that he had only ONE loss before then, not more losses than wins. It would be nice if you at least admitted these things. 4) You throw around terms like "bums" for very successful world class fighters like Marvis Frazier. Not being an ATG does not mean he is a bum, that is deeply unfair. 5) Tillis pushed Tyson, but Tyson did not have poor endurance in his prime. And who on eartch else assumes Tucker would have even any good chance to have won if his hand was perfect? And Bonecrusher, like Lyle & a champion like Jess Willard, were *World Class* fighters for a time, regardless of starting very late. 5) Bonehugger Green & others even to an extent Holyfield hugged Tyson-not he because of exhaustion. Almost nobody ever KOs a Top Fighter who is willing to constantly hold & push. Tyson clearly dominated these fights anyway. 6) Tyson had a great chin in his prime. Ali was better than those fighters overall: but he had no huge punch. Part of the problem is you just do not understand what "knocked cold" means. It means totally unconscious for a period of time. Considering what Ali actually did to great fighters, & how good Tyson was in his prime & even when he lost those legacy fights well beyond that time & he was not "lights out"-& what happens when 2 ATG boxers meet: that is exceedingly unlikely. But you seem to have missed that i do think Ali would WIN. 7) You are just totally biased & irrational about something like calling Ruddock a "LHW" A) Ali was somewhat lighter than Ruddock when young, he won as a LHW during the Olympics. B) It would still be senseless to call a man who naturally grew into a then decent sized HW as he matured in his early 20's a LHW lol! C) You have supplied no evidence at all Razor used any PEDs. He *may* have, & you may have, you may secretly be mugging old ladies lol: but to assume this is deeply unfair. Also as a long time lifter & looking at his large stature & frame/bone structure, there is zero cause to believe he *had* to use drugs. D) Even if he DID-which is an irrational, evidence-free supposition-the fact is he was a good sized HW! E) Since you have been loose & wrong on some facts, I ask for evidence Ruddock was 189 for the Jaco fight.\ regardless, Ruddock was a bit past 21 for that fight. Check out what Ali & so many others weighed when that age. Ruddock was a pretty big HW-near 240 without being fat in his prime, large & long arms...almost nobody fair & balanced on earth would call him a "LHW". F) Either way, a LHW weighs up to 175 lbs.: & when Ruddock fought him they did not allow day or more before weigh ins. So Ruddock was even then when so much smaller was not in any sense a LHW, that is false. Again if you plan to respond, please show intellectual rigor & do point by point. And if you want me & others to respect you as being rational & fair, admit when I posted undeniable evidence that you are way, way off-like about Mitch Green.
All true, except Ali did not fight for 3 & a 1/2 years, starting right after 1967. So 1968 could not possibly be considered a prime year.