Mike Tyson vs Ron Lyle

To be fair to Lyle, he hadn't been boxing long.
Tyson was at the advantage of being chosen by a man who spent his whole life looking to shape potential champions, and then being tutored full-time in professional-style boxing since he was 13 or 14 years old. Around the New York area where proper sparring partners could be found.

Lyle started late and was learning as he went along, having taken the sport up as a mature adult, he started boxing well into his prison sentence, and only when released did he find proper amateur gym. He was successful as an amateur but a year or so later he'd already turned pro.

And Jerry Quarry was a lot better than James Tillis anyway.

 

Tyson in 8. Lyle has his moments and hurts Tyson badly at least once, but Tyson weathers the storm. A longer version of the first Bruno fight. I think Lyle was a more natural fighter than Frank so I reckon he would do slightly better.

 

Granted... But it also shouldn't be ignored or completely brushed to the side that Tyson wasn't even old enough to legally purchase alcohol in most areas. I will also ad that Lyle wasn't all that green. He entered the pros with 30 amateur fights and was the winner of several tournaments. He had already beaten such notables in the pros as Buster Mathis and Larry Middleton and was a fully matured man.. Tyson at nineteen had only beaten Jesse Ferguson as his best opponent and lost to Henry Tillman in the olympic trials.

 

You still don't get it do you, 6 months after fighting Tillis he became heavyweight champion. He was a full grown man when he faced Tillis, this was no underdeveloped kid...

 

The only person who seems to be lost here is you.. I was around when Tyson won that belt and was around for many fights both before and after... Yes six months and EIGHT BOUTS LATER he defeated Trevor Berbick for the WBC title.. Six months is an eternity for an adolescent athlete to develop. Especially when they're competing as actively and as prolific as Tyson was, taking on numerous opponents and developing with each fight while correcting imperfections in the gym.. Looking at what Tyson did to such men as Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks, do you really think that his chances against someone like Ron Lyle should be weighed on his performance against James Tillis when he was NINETEEN YEARS old and with less than 20 fights? Ron Lyle entered the pros with 30 amateur fights and several amateur titles and was a fully matured adult when he was easily outboxed by Jerry Quarry who many felt was past his prime. He was arguably gifted against Joe Bugner.. KO'd soundly by George Foreman who was off for 15 months. Outpointed twice by Jimmy Young and to my knowledge never stopped a ranked opponent.. And all you can come up with is ONE example where the fighter in question was barely old enough to vote?

 

Lyle was good but Tyson would stop him.

 

For the record Lyle did improve after the Quarry fight. As a matter of fact Lyle may have been able to beat Quarry in a rematch. He had his moments vs. Ali and Foreman but came up short in both fights. He crushed Rondon, Mathis, Garcia, Blin, and Middleton among others. He also beat Peralta, Bonavena, Ellis, Kirkman, Shavers, LeDoux, and others... but he ain't beating Tyson.

 

I think the Tillis of that fight is always troubling Tyson. It is really Tillis best performance.

I don't think Tyson really improved that much from 86 to 88, he plateaued quickly, and never really developed any new wrinkles to his tactics and approach.

I still think he wins convincingly against Lyle.

 

This is the kind of guy Tyson looks his devastating best aginst and gets the early stoppage. Those quick hands and 1rst round attack mode would not see Lyle lasting to the 3rd. His defense is far too vulverable to that kind of speed and it won't be jabs he has to deal with.

 

Eat a reality pill Hookie. Lyle was never going to beat Quarry in a rematch. Hell, he would have never taken a rematch, as he might have been KO'ed. Lyle's rematch with Young didn't work out so well. If Lyle was to rematch someone, maybe he should have rematched Shavers.

 

Tyson by knockout in about 3 or 4 rounds. Too much speed and power. Lyle was a strong guy and he was tough but without having the defense to avoid Tyson`s power shots it won`t last long.

 

How is this even debatable? Tyson easy. Lyle was tough, hit hard,and good, but not great. His biggest weakness, his one weakness, was he was a bit slow, both in movement and reactions.

 

I dont understand why people keep bringing up Tillis?

Firstly, Tillis and Lyle have nothing in common, except they were both black and fought Earnie Shavers.

Secondly, people need to understand the difference between an experienced journeyman and a green prospect.

People need to look at Tysons opposition prior to the Tillis fight and then compare that to Tillis opposition.

I know some people are desperate to make a case, but the bottom line is Lyle would never beat Tyson, not even on his best day.

Talk about James Tillis all you want.

 

lol Prime Tyson would murder him. To fast, to skilled, way better defense, to powerful. Great Fight but at least a missmatch

 

Would he beat 1990 Tokyo Tyson on his best day ?