Mike Tyson vs Wladimir Klitschko

where is this trend?

I think you will find that the trend is, the BETTER the opponents got, the more Tyson struggled with them.

This trend is the norm for anyone.

povetkin is not Tyson. a great win for povetkin is stopping someone unskilled and unranked - Charr. A great win for Tyson is stopping an ATG in 1 round (spinks). there is no comparison, there are three leagues difference between these guys. What wlad did to povetkin has no bearing on what he could do against Tyson.

 

I want to know more about this "historical trend".

Hes considered a smallish heavyweight by today's standards, and only weighed a few pounds more than Tyson (who was a smallish heavyweight) did while at his prime weight, unless we're talking height alone which doesn't cover all around size. Paul Williams was about 6'3 and fought as low as 147. And yes, Wlad beat Povetkin down, but even then he didn't stop him. You could tell the discomfort in Wlad every time Povetkin got close and or even landed shots. My point to you is, that Tyson, unlike Povetkin, had the skills to punch out of clinches and work inside which seems to be a lost art among todays heavyweights. Also, are you actually indicating that Wlad is past his prime? If so, when exactly was his prime?

Tyson was a great inside fighter but the fact that he wasn't there consistently as long as dudes like Armstrong, Chavez, Duran etc, one would falsely conclude that he wasn't great WHILE he was inside, which he was a lot but was masked by the fact that he would return to mid range. I agree that mid range is where he earned his money, but you'd have to be a fool (though I'm not calling you one) to think that Tyson would just chill at mid range against someone who would be almost a foot taller than he without closing the distance and getting inside, which Tyson was good at. Certainly if we're talking about the Cus version of Tyson. Its not just the clinches that would wear Wlad down, its the mental pressure. Tyson would do things that make guys expend more energy than they should. When he jabbed and cut the ring off, it would drive opponents back and force them on their backfoot. I don't think Wlad was "poisoned" in the Brewster fight, i think it was due to Brewster making him sap out his energy, he worked in clinches and he took Wlads best shots. I also remember instances where he would bob and weave, which threw his rhythm off. That's another thing i noticed with Wlad, hes not comfortable letting his hands go when someone is moving their head, likely in fear of being countered and Tyson was a master at slipping jabs.

 

Watch the fights and study the opponents. Tony Tucker, James Smith, Mitch Green, Razor Ruddock and James Douglas either took Tyson the distance or beat him while, while smaller OR aging opponents were typically dispatched in short order. Holyfield is obviously the exception as being a "better" but not necessarily "smaller" opponent, but both fought each other when their best years were behind them.

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No kidding. But for the other poster to use him is a berometer is ridiculous given that he wasn't small as the other guy claimed and Wlad destroyed him anyway while being past prime himself.

I disagree that he never beat or stopped anyone who was skilled or ranked, but let's not turn this into a povetkin discussion. I didn't bring him up.

Spinks had nothing in common with Wlad and frankly I think he decided to make an easy night of it and opted to just collect his check. Therefore the same could be said in reverse about what Tyson did to Spinks having no bearing on what he'd do to Wlad. At any rate this is a fight that I've already given Tyson a chance in. But some of the arguments thus far made rebut nothing about this match up stylistically or address the advantages that Wlad would have. You have people calling Tyson a " great inside fighter" and saying that Wlad's size is irrelevant. Or that Tyson would break Wlad's clinches and use those windows of opportunities to land big shots. Why couldn't he stop Bonecrusher by doing any of that?

 

See my response to Herol Gee.

Yes and TODAY'S standards aren't the same as those of the 1980's. At 6'2", 225 lbs he'd be as big as most of the top heavyweights of that period save for a few, and even bigger than some.

You ignore the fact that he beat the living dog sh-t out of a former olympian who was 27-0, had never been floored, was in great shape, and roughly the same size or bigger than a lot of the men in Tyson's era. I don't think I gave a single round to Povetkin, save for perhaps the one where Wlad was deducted a point. And at 37 years of age and with 65 pro fights behind him, Klit was past it. You must think very highly of him to say that at 37 he's still prime, because if this were an argument about anyone else, you'd be pointing his advanced age out first. As for Tyson being so great at "punching out of clinches" why couldn't he manage to do this against Smith and score a stoppage? Wladimir Klitschko is superior to every big man Tyson ever fought and in just about every way.

He was good at finishing a fighter off up close once he had them badly hurt, up against the ropes or completely terrified ( see Frank Bruno. ) But I don't see Wlad giving him very many opportunities to land flush. That considerable reach is going to take some of the sting out of Tyson's shots, and Mike would have to slip one of the best jabs in heavyweight history which incidentally had a lot of sting behind it. When He got close and that's more like "if" he'd get tied up a lot by a man with immense upper body strength and skill at neutralizing an incoming attacker. Like I said, Tyson could win, but this isn't the "gimme" that you and others are making it out to be... Not at all.

Come on. Virtually no heavyweight champion is more notorious than Tyson at fading late in fights or suffering from compromised mental fortitude. If anyone is going to get worn down physically OR mentally its Tyson. Klitscko's conditioning is superior and being the bigger man with the better ability at tying up an opponent there's no way he's gassing or folding before Tyson does. Mike's only chance at winning this is to pull off a corrie Sanders, but not being a south a paw with corrie's style and size, along with presumably facing the better version of Wlad ( probably 2005-2010 ) I'm skeptical.

The Brewster fight was bizarre. I don't know if the reports of Wlad having too much vaseline on his body or little green men pulling the strings were true, or if it was just a bad all around night. But one thing is for certain. He was pounding the **** out of Brewster for five rounds before that happened, and Lamon was a durable dude. That was almost 11 years ago, and Klit hasn't been beaten since.

 

Tyson will impregnate klits in the ass

 

Prime Tyson, gets to him kind of early too. Vlad,s chin has NOT improved,he has gotten better at protecting it. Young,strong and fast Tyson would find that chin. Sanders,Brewster,Peter to name a few hurt Vlad,,badly. They are no where near the class of Tyson in punching power. Young Tyson head incredible head movemnet and came in low and really fast. he,d time Vlad,s jab and get in a bomb. Absolutely no way Vlad,s can take Tysons brand of TNT...

 

MM, I hear you and you make some good points. But,I think Tyson only needs ONE good shot to get Vlad in big trouble. I,m talking about the machine that cleaned out Holmes,Thomas etc... Look at the guys who bounced Vlad up and down like a rubber ball. They are not in Tyson,s league. In refernce to the intestinal fortitude question. Tyson wouldn,t let Vlad last long enough to bring that into play. Prime Tyson gets to him and gets him early,IMO...

 

Can anyone here really see Vlad,s shaky chin taking a solid shot form Tyson ? Honestly ? The guy who tasted canvas from Peter,Sanders and Brewster ...

 

Tyson rarely dispatched an opponent with only one shot and Wlad has never been stopped with only one shot either. All three of his losses came prior to Steward shoring up his fight game, and all three were against men who's styles and physical characteristics were dissimilar to Tyson's. For the record I concur that Tyson can win this. He may very well. But the factors presented in some of these arguments thus far aren't even relevant as to why he'd do it.

 

People who think Tyson gets Wlad in serious trouble with one shot need to ask themselves what happens when Wlad lands a solid power shot.
Wlad's a bigger man, and a more accurate puncher than the likes of Bonecrusher , Tucker or Bruno.

 

wlads accuracy is not good, that's one of his problems. that's why he almost always waits till his fatboy is gasping and cant move.

 

The speed, power and ferocity of a prime Mike Tyson stops Klitschko in the second round.

The first round is rather cautious, with Wladimir on the outside and Tyson patiently stalking. Tyson unloads late in the first round, with the bell saving Klitschko. The next round is the last as Klitschko is floored twice and fails to get up.

A flaw of Wladimir's is his predictable attack. Tyson figures this out early and takes advantage of it.

 

Tyson would be troubled by Wlads size. (6'6 and 240+). Mike also fought from a crouch, making himself even smaller and giving the bigger men the advantage to punch down on him. If there's a KO, it's a Tyson KO . If not Wlad by UD 12.

 

the fight would pan out like this.







Wlad would not sign for it.
Vitali might but he gets tkoed in 6

 

Did we not notice the other 5 Tyson-Wlad threads that are flourishing in Classic at this exact moment?