Mike Tyson would beat Wilder right now with 6 weeks of training in 1 minute.

Guy is full of ****. Tyson wouldn't beat anyone in the top 500 with a year's camp. It was 15 years ago he was getting stopped by Danny ****ing Williams.

Love seeing the older guys looking sharp on the pads but it drives me crazy when people start saying they could compete now. There's a reason they're retired.

 

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It's probably about time to give up 'serious' boxing discussion, anyway.

 

My brain cells are commiting suicide one by one reading this thread.

 

Let's please stop with the hyperbole. Mike Tyson is a 54 year old man that hasn't won a fight since a one round destruction against Clifford Ettienne. His last two fights, he got stopped by Danny Williams and then Kevin "freakin" Mcbride!

Tyson would get stopped in 45 seconds by Wilder. At whatever point Wilder threw a blow, that's the end of the fight. Tyson is on an entirely different level than Wilder, Prime Tyson would destroy Wilder, hell post prime Tyson would destroy Wilder.

This is a man in a rocking chair..............just stop.

 

Don't listen to Jeff Fenech. He's so BS!

 

Williams wasn't a pushover in the early 00's, not easy to get rid of as Mike found. He defo deserves credit for the upset as nobody gave him a chance. Mike had been out the ring 17 months and it showed.

 

He was a domestic level fighter, and Tyson went on to lose to someone even worse after.

It isn't a slight on Williams that he's domestic level but to see someone losing at that level and then declaring 15 years later they'd be able to fight any around that level is ridiculous.

 

Williams was solid C class, can never take these guys too lightly. Mike got caught and that was that. He was throwing the same bombs at Vitali but didn't land anything that big. McBride was definitely a journeyman with stoppage losses (mostly to decent names) but he also had a pretty decent KO% and was a very big lad so did carry threat. Mike would be competitive over a couple of rounds vs some fringe men just now, just my take.

 

Everyone's got the blueprint to beat Wilder yet it took a fighter almost 7 feet tall with extraordinary skills and a 50 pound weight advantage to actually do it

 

Did i say there were "no" good action fights in this era? No I didn't. In fact I praised boxers like Errol Spence and Shawn Porter for giving us action packed fights.

So why are you creating a straw man to argue against something I never said? I said that in general the average fight nowadays lacks back and forth action and high volume of punches thrown.

The examples you gave are terrible.

-Joshua was a world champion in his prime who held 3 of the major belts yet he gassed in just 4 rounds and got stopped by Gabriel Iglesias' stunt double. It wasn't so much a back and forth slug fest as it was a naive champion trying too hard to go for the KO and tiring himself out to get countered to death and dropped in an embarrassingly one-sided affair. There is no excuse for Joshua having such poor stamina for a professional boxing champion in his 20's.

My criticism for a lack of inside fighting skill applies here as well. Had Joshua developed that part of his game he might have been able to neutralize the smaller Ortiz in close quarters. Even in the 2nd fight he got nailed by brutal upper cuts and sweeping hooks because all he knew how to do was clinch whenever Ruiz charged his way inside.

-Fury vs wilder was a guy putting on a master class performance before getting too cocky and being dropped by a sloppy slugger who missed every other punch. The rematch was even uglier and wilder landed hardly anything while fury hit and held his way to victory slowly breaking wilder down. How exactly was that am action packed display of good stamina, workrate, and skill from both fighters? It was 1 sided both times for the most part. Wilder's technique, defense, and stamina were atrocious.

-wilder bs ortiz 1 was indeed a good back and forth action packed fight...up until the stocky Ortiz started to gas and slow down. If he were in better shape and paced himself better he might have been champion.

The 2nd Ortiz fight...ok now i know you're pulling things out of your ass or you simply lack reading comprehension. Ortiz fought at a very careful, measured pace picking his shots carefully and racking up points. Wilder didn't do jack for 80% of the fight and borrowed a game plan from Ingemar Johanson to lull the opponent into a false sense of security and then throw a nuclear right hand. Hardly a display of high work rate and volume from either guy.

Yes the average heavyweight is bigger nowadays but they are also slower, have worse defense, suspect or bad stamina, no head movement, and mediocre technique. And no they do not hit much harder than previous eras you do not see genuine knockout artists other than Wilder and even he is very sloppy and lacks accuracy (often needing to swing for the fences and just barely pulling off a late round KO). Dillian Whyte is a good puncher but he's pretty damn sloppy too and wide open for counters. For your statement to be accurate, there would need to be way more fights ending in brutal KO's.

 

Dude they just punch harder, more direct and therefor almost all fights at hw end in ko.
You know that just look at ko rates. A top hw fight end either by ko or someone kisses the canvas at least once.
Decisions get rarer and rarer.
Wilders cross is super direct and precise just look at r5 or r10 against ortiz 1, round ortiz 2 and so on.
Dude they dont throw less punches then decades ago and they dont gas. how could the punch output record be broken then?

 

That was ONE fight. Kownacki vs arreola is the exception. Wilder's punch output in his fights with ortiz and fury were horrible. Joshua and fury also do not have a particularly high output.

No "most" fights don't usually end in a ko in today's era. Decisions are not rare at all.

Joshua vs ruiz 2
Joshua vs Parker
Fury vs wallin
Fury vs Klitschko
Whyte vs Parker
Fury vs pianeta
Ruiz vs Parker
Parker vs hughie fury
Whyte vs wach
Whyte vs Rivas
Wilder vs stiverne 1
Wilder vs fury 1
Whyte vs Helenius

These were several of the most recent high profile bouts from the top fighters at heavyweight, and we see decision after decision after decision. Again, wilder is the exception he's the only knockout artist in today's era and an extremely sloppy one. Most of joshua's ko's or accumulative stoppages and his stamina is usually very poor. Other than some basic stuff from Ruiz, NONE of these guys can fight on the inside. All of these fights show a lack of stamina, defense, coordination, timing, and punch output and went the distance. So wtf are you talking about claiming most fights of the current era end in knockouts and have high energy back and forth action with high volume of blows? It is simply not true.

There are exceptions but look how short the list is.

Joshua vs Klitschko
Whyte vs chisora 1
Kownacki vs arreola
Breazeale vs Ugonah

Unless I'm missing some those are some of the vert few fights of the current era where we see anything remotely resembling the action of the 70's 80's and 90's.

And even in these fights you don't see a lot of skill, defense, lateral movement, or inside fighting. I cannot even remember the last time a referee gave a warning for excessive clinching, let alone taking a point like he's supposed to. It makes a lot of fights very repetitive, ugly, and slow paced.

 

Only with cuss

 

I dont know man i looked up the number. The hw that hold that record before this was tua ibeabuchi. At lwh the record is set by fonfare against cleverly. And i also found this
[url]https://www.*******.com/soto-karass-vs-macias-compubox-record-breaking-punch-stats--133557[/url]

Meaning that there is no indication that fighters today fight at a lower pace then the old school guys. If you prefer those old days fine but they dont throw less punches.

I said ko or one kisses the canvas at least one time. In a few of those fights one of the fighters did go down. And sorry but whyte against 40 year old wach is really not high profile. Also wallin and hughie arent high profile. But i still cant ko rates are going up and up.
If you look at the top hw from the 60-70 you will find a lot of them having ko rates from 60 to 75 precent. In the 90s you start to see rates going up to 80 regularly and now we had a reign of two guys that had almost a 100% rate that followed 2 guys that had a rate at 85%. I at least have that impression but i might be wrong.

 

It’s wild, the same people who say Tyson was ‘post-prime’ 30 ****ING YEARS AGO think he could still be a champ today.

The same people who say the Tyson fighting 15-18 years ago was just a shell and you should get no credit for beating him.

It’s like people think Tyson aged faster than anyone on earth and then started ageing in reverse once he retired

honestly I would gladly go the rest of my life without hearing a thing about Mike ****ing Tyson and that has very little to do with the man himself