Mike Tyson's amazing NEGATIVE records

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  1. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    I am posting this at the risk of getting lynched to death in Classic by a swarm of Tyson fanboys. I have insured my life, so my family might not worry entirely.... just kidding.

    Mike Tyson has the following amazing (negative) records:

    1. Tyson is the only undisputed heavyweight champion to not beat another undisputed heavyweight champion.
    Note: By undisputed heavyweight champion I mean a boxer who became an undisputed champion at heavyweight at some point in his career.
    2. Tyson is the only undisputed heavyweight champion to never beat another unified heavyweight champion.
    3. Tyson's record against undisputed heavyweight champions is 0-3. This is the worst record by any undisputed heavyweight champion. The difference between wins and losses is -3.
    4. The above record holds good even if we consider records for undisputed heavyweight champs vs unified HW champs or unified HW champs vs unified HW champs.
    5. Tyson is the only undisputed/unified HW champion to have lost all his fights by knockout (5) except the ones where he was disqualified. The qualification is a minimum of three losses. (Lennox Lewis and Ingemar Johansson had two losses, both by knockout).
    6. The above record can also be stated in a slightly different way: Tyson is the only undisputed/unified HW champion to never beat the boxers who beat him by KO/TKO while also not losing by points in his career. This time there is no qualification.

    What do you think of the above amazing records of 'Iron Mike'?
     
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  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    The only boxer who beat Don King, and that's why he has my respect (not only because of that).
     
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  3. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    people point this stuff out about Tyson every single day on this board. i was literally talking about his "never avenged a loss" thing in the floyd patterson vs mike tyson resume thread. i know he's overrated by casual fans but like this record only looks bad if you consider you're comparing him solely to other undisputed champions, which is like 5 guys (in the multi-belt era), and the only reason it's 5 guys is because Tyson unified the division, so that allowed Buster, Evander and Bowe to be undisputed before Bowe split the belts.

    So yes, Tysons' resume is not as good as Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis. If we look at it in a critical light, you could call it on par with Bowe's. Even though he was never undisputed, I'd say Holmes has a better body of work overall. That's still better than 99.9% of heavyweights that ever fought professionally and better than most (post Liston) hw champs.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That is oxymoronic; by definition if you are challenged as an undisputed champion, there is a dispute...
     
  5. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    It means any person who has ever been an undisputed champion in his career. Examples are Tyson vs. Holyfield and Tyson vs. Lewis.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    An undisputed champion by definition cannot fight a challenger, or they would lose the title by default!
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Sorry, but if he's undisputed then he can't have a challenge or challenge another 'Undisputed', can he?
    Or am I missing something?
     
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  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    There weren't any former undisputed fighting when Tyson came around. He was the first since Leon Spinks I believe.
     
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  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You see that is your problem Fergy! Leon Spinks was never given the chance in 88 or 89 when he was still fighting, to challenge Tyson. In 88 he stood up to the mighty Tex Cobb for ten rounds, something not even Ernie Shavers could do. That is always the elephant in the room when we talk about Tyson's legacy, the wrong Spinks brother was in the ring that June night!
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One M Spinks was too an 'Undisputed Champ' according to your definition, but my bad, I forgot The Jinx flattened Tyson in 90 seconds...
     
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  11. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    But there were undisputed heavyweight champs later. Holyfield and Lewis were two guys that he fought. Foreman was also there, as was Bowe.
     
  12. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    But he was not undisputed at heavyweight. I was obviously talking about HW and not light heavyweight. Anyways I have corrected the original post.

    By undisputed heavyweight champion, I meant any boxer who ever became an undisputed HW champion - Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe and Evander Holyfield were boxers he could have beaten but he did not. Every other undisputed heavyweight boxer in history beat at least one other boxer who was the undisputed HW champion at some point in his career.
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    My god, what a fool I've been!
    Why didn't I see that???
    No wonder Spinks got crushed by Tyson, he knew damn well his brother should have been in there. :ibutt
     
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  14. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was no longer the same Tyson when he fought Holyfield and completely washed up when he faced Lewis.
    Plus, Holyfield didn't unify all belts like Tyson did.
     
  15. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    Well, there could be reasons/excuses but the records still stand, unfortunately. Every other undisputed HW champion beat another unified/undisputed HW champ. In fact every other unified HW champ also beat some unified HW champ (i.e. a boxer who ever became a unified HW champ). Mike Tyson was the only one who did not.

    You don't need to unify titles to become unified/undisputed champion. You can also become one by beating the man who holds the titles.