Mike Tyson's amazing NEGATIVE records

You seem to be picking and choosing which belts you recognize.

According to you, the WBO wasn't a "major" belt ... because, apparently, after the WBO champ Hamed beat all the reigning WBC, IBF and WBA champs he faced in featherweight unifications, and Hamed would win their belts and trash them ... and the three snubbed organizations decided they didn't want to split the pie four ways so they refused to allow their champs to defend against WBO champs anymore, hoping to force the WBO out. But once they failed, they recognized the WBO ... and according to you, apparently, that's when the WBO became a "major."

Was the WBO a major belt when Riddick Bowe was the WBO champ and the other two beltholders were Bruce Seldon and Frank Bruno? Was the WBO a major belt when Foreman lost in his challenge for the WBO belt but won the WBA/IBF belts in his next fight?

Now the WBA and WBC aren't major belts ... depending on who has them at any given time.

So is the only MAJOR WBA belt the WBA SUPER belt, or is it okay to be a WBA champ if there's no SUPER champ in the division?

Or are you just making this up as you go?


Your argument is flawed.

Tyson beat Holmes and Spinks, He's 2 for 5.

 

All this back and forth is confusing. Just tell me what a guy's record is against other members of the IBHOF and what stage of their careers they both were in.

 

I assume you’re asserting that Tyson was a “reflex fighter”?

What made him so? Just because he had hand speed?

Mike wasn’t a reflexive counterpuncher who relied on seeing an opening and punching on it by reflex from any angle for his offense like, say, Naseem Hamed. He was a fast-handed power puncher and every fighter’s hand speed declines at some point, but he still was a well-drilled and well-trained technician with power and a high ring IQ … he didn’t just reflexively do anything — he threw numbered, planned and called combination patterns.

Likewise, he didn’t depend on reflexes for his defense. He wasn’t Ali or Roy Jones Jr pulling back from punches reflexively to get out of the way of them — he depended upon gloves-high peek-a-boo defense and patterned head movement taught by Cus D’Amato.

You can teach all of the above to any fighter who walks into a gym regardless of their reflexes. Those who are more athletically gifted will do it better, same as Michael Jordan executed the things he was taught as a basketball player better than someone who wasn’t as good an athlete — hard to take off from the free throw line to dunk if you can’t jump that far.

No, Tyson was gifted with speed and power, the former of which diminished as happens with all fighters. But he was drilled from age 12 how to do things. He just wasn’t disciplined after a time.

 

You never picked and choosed which belts you recognized? You recognized the WBA belt in the 90s and only recognized the WBA 'SUPER' belt now.

Can you win a WBA 'Super' belt on its own and hold no other belts?

I don't think so. So the WBA belt doesn't count, just the 'super' WBA belt?

And, back in the 90s, when the WBO champ Hamed beat the IBF champ in a unification and he beat the WBC champ in a unification and the WBA panicked and stripped Vasquez days before the Hamed unification because they were terrified Hamed win their belt and trash it ... the WBO wasn't a legit org?

And back in the 90s, when Foreman lost in a title challenge for the WBO belt, but then won the WBA and IBF belts in his next fight, and he started dropping belts, too, the WBO belt wasn't legit?

It only became legit when the WBC, WBA and IBF realized their champs couldn't beat the WBO or its champs, so they agreed to recognize the WBO so its champs would stop winning their belts and throwing them away?

Do I have that right?

 

Jeez, you are President and even you do not recognise your own organisation’s belt!

 

I'm thinking of starting a thread.

I think Mike Tyson is sh1t. Discuss in the most boring and convoluted way you can.

Any thoughts? Is it a goer or do folks think this thread has it covered?

 

Just compare Tyson's record against his fellow members of the IBHOF.

 

This entire post is idiotic.

 

"If you give me six lines written by he hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in it which will hang him."

Cardinal Richelieu

Exactly the same thing, applies to the records of great fighters.

 

You have NO idea what you're talking about if you think that's true.

Which reigning IBO champion unified against the WBC and IBF champions, and then vacated the WBC and IBF belts and kept only the IBO belt?

Which IBO champ signed to unify with a WBA champion, and the WBA stripped the WBA champion out of fear their champ would lose to the IBO champ and IBO champ would dump the WBA belt, too?

 

Who was the enemy, Kronk? Half of the WBO's first champs (or challengers for their first belts) were Kronk fighters.

You don't have a clue, clearly.

 

Thank you.