Mike Weaver vs Gerry ****ey.......what if????

Probably the outcome I'd pick as well.

 

I would go for an early GC stoppage or clean knockout. Weaver was too slow off the mark for the first couple of rounds. Didn't Duane Bobick KO him?

 

Yeah but that was early in Weaver's career. Had they rematched around 1979 I think Mike would have won.

 

Weaver was pretty much the most chinny guy ever to get to the top of the division, right up there with Leon Spinks.

Weaver was stopped 12 times in 60 fights, one every five fights.

Interestingly, someone like Fred Fulton is generally put down as chinny, but Fulton was only stopped nine times in 111 fights, a rather respectable one in twelve ratio.

On the other hand, Gerry C was not a very durable fighter either, but Weaver just does not seem a sensible pick against a big puncher.

so Gerry C by KO.

 

I agree Mr Magoo, and I can remember Weaver winning the title and thinking "Christ, MW a champ?, he's had loads of losses".
Just goes to show styles make fights, and fighters can improve with time and good schooling.

 

The first part of Weaver's career can be dismissed, as he simply didn't care, didn't train, and only half heartly tried. Somewhere along the way the light came on and Weaver applied himself to his trade and he became a very good fighter and accomplished a great deal. Early in his career he lost to both Rodney & Duane Bobick, twice to Howard Smith in 1st two pro fights (no shame there), plus Billy Ryan.

He beat Bernardo Mercardo, Stan Ward (2 out of 3), Scott LeDoux, John Tate, Gerrie Coetzee, Jas "Quick" Tillis, Carl Williams, Johnny Du Plooy, Bert Cooper, got screwed twice in fights with a prime Mike Dokes.

Weaver fought a chit load of good heavyweights and beat more than his fair share. He didn't have the best chin, but could box pretty good and punch like hell.

He was a hell of a better champion than Leon Spinks, Hasim Rahman, Sam Peter, Oleg Maskaev, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Tony Tucker, Johansson, Michael Moorer and a few others.

****ey might be a bad match up style wise, but based on career accomplishments I'd take Weaver.

 

I have no reason to believe C00ney beats Weaver at that point in time. From 1979 to 1986 Weaver was pretty good fighter.

 

I think ****ey ambushes him early. Nnobody had problems lanfding their punches on Mike & this fight would have been in ****ey's backyard for the big gate receipts.
That nasty left uppercut and left hook are going to penetrate that fly swatting defense of Weaver's. Mike needs to put in about 3 rounds during the pre-fight instructions so he'd be loose and warmed up & I thin he's caught cold.
If he can take the fight to the late rounds, ****ey would never absorb a Weaver big shot on the whiskers. But I don't think this goes 3 rounds & one of these guys gets destroyed.

 

Weaver Kayoes ****ey in 3 rounds, then goes on to lose to Greg Page.

 

This fight just has to be a tentative pick either way. I remember in '81 after ****ey knocked out Norton discussing this fight with friends; we almost unanimously felt that Weaver would not be able to hold ****ey's shots and we all felt ****ey would win by kayo.

It's funny how hindsight and the advancing years changes your viewpoint. Having already said this would be a tentative pick, my view is that AT HIS PEAK Weaver operated successfully at a higher level than ****ey, he was more proven and more reliable and would be aware of ****ey's fast start.

I think Weaver is the more reliable and proven and I like him to win this one in about 6-7 rounds, possibly earlier.

 

I am going to go with Weaver here.

I will take the man who consistently exceeded expectations at the top level, over the guy who consistently fell short at the top level.

I am seeing this much as FastHands (beeb).

 

"I will take the man who consistenly exceeded expectations at the top level, over the guy who consistenly fell short at the top level."

Very good point, and I really consider Gerry C a shaky pick here,

but Gerry C did do as well against Holmes as Weaver did,

and didn't fight enough to flop very often until years later.

Gerry C is just one of those guys with not enough info to make a firm judgment on how good he was.

 

I think Gerry had a much better chance of getting Weaver out of there early because Gerry was a quick starter and went to the head and body well. Gerry was also faster. GC could get caught and Weaver took the punches of Tate and Coetzee well but IMO Gerry starts fast. GC only fought 2 rds in 2 years prior to Holmes and never fought more than 8 rds, ill prepared for and experienced guy like Holmes and his moving style but he had a good chance vs MW because of styles

 

Yep.

And then ****ey being ****ey, would lose within his next 2 fights > beating weaver. It could be to a Renaldo Snipes type guy or Dokes or Page or Spoon or just about anyone. But those guys were a little tougher to get out of there than Mike was.