Mikey Garcia: I'd KO Manny Pacquiao And Vasyl Lomachenko...

I can't get a reading on dealt with. For a while I was sure he was a liar because he said he works with elite athletes and has never seen a hint of ped use, and furthermore that peds don't even work. Then he said something a week later, I don't even remember now, but it was equally crazy. He doesn't come across as an idiot, even though he says so many stupid ignorant things, but he also doesn't feel like a troll, cause he's not funny or predictable. I have a hard time pinning him down.

Oh yeah, now I remember. He said that Ray Robinson sucked, David Lemieux was way better, and anyone can see it with the footage. Probably, a troll.

 

Probably need some context there, I said that it’s clearly visible that a Ray Robinson has inferior skills to someone like Lomachenko or Whitaker. I would’ve said that Lemieux would hit harder if anything, or that if they competed today I wouldn’t be surprised if Lemieux got the win considering the size difference.

 

Pretty sure he'd ko current Pacman. Loma? Not so much. At any rate, wish he'd start fighting some of these guys instead of talking about it.

 

Did you think Broner was world class? He probably has a better record than Garcia, I think he’s a ‘4 weight champ’ or some nonsense as well. Garcia has fought no one as he has moved up, beaten no real champ in any division. Garcia seems to have peaked in his quit job against Salido, since then it’s been all talk and zero action. None of us know how good he actually could be because he hasn’t fought anyone in years. However th signs are there that he’s just average, you don’t lose rounds to the Broner’s, Lipinets, Easter’s of the world if you’re an elite fighter. Not to mention the weight draining, and his lack of power against C grade opponents as he’s moved up. I think we can see why he is all talk.

 

Here's our conversation from back in May if we need context.

You just have to look at someone like Sugar Ray Robinson, and then compare him to boxers today. It's like watching a fight from a Rocky movie versus an actual fight. These guys from the past are turned into iconic figures and treated as gods, when they are unathletic and sloppy with few skills.

Did you just say that Sugar Ray Robinson is "unathletic with few skills?" Well, he's no David Lemieux, but he was all they had back in the day.

You don't compare the pinnacle of an era with a C grade contemporary. But we'll play your game, and I'd pick Lemieux to shatter Robinson's jaw.

And here's a tidbit from a few pages later in the same thread.

Or the alternative, the drugs don’t make a difference? Or at least not enough to overcome natural mechanical advantages?
Is there also not a correlation with nutrition and training improving? You know, things that have actual evidence for improving performance (unlike drugs).

 

Maybe he is doing some type of self promotion that comess out weird. We really don't know what happens in negotiations though. To me he seems like an odd character but I like watching him fight. If the Spence fight doesn't happen I am really going to start to not give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

pick one and give me the reasons hes accomplished more in the last 2 years and i will reply with my opinion.

 

I wanna be here ^ , but I keep finding myself here

 

i saw ponce beat broner way before you had ever even heard of him, so dont compare what i think about multiple weight champs with what you think. i know more, simple as, no need for further debate. let ovids argue your case, he actually knows something.

 

You can’t decipher anything from that mangled attempt at quoting, but the parts I said I stand by 100%.

 

You don’t know when I heard of Broner, I’ve been a fan of boxing long before Broner turned pro.

 

Rungvisai beat Gonzalez and Estrada back to back. Gonzalez was p4p #1 and he Ko'd him. Estrada probably deserved to be p4p top 10 and Rungvisai beat him. When you look at Estrada's record, third weight class, beat Viloria, Cuadras, Segura, and that close loss to Gonzalez himself, his record could be as good as Mikey's, and Wangek has him and Gonzalez on his ledger in the last two years.

Estrada in the last two years had that really close fight with Rungvisai who many people have in their pound for pound lists now, and he beat Cuadras, who before he **** the bed against Arroyo I might have said was elite himself. Estrada's Cuadras win is maybe worth as much as Garcia's Broner win. But I understand that Mikey doesn't have any red ink on his ledger so he's perceived as superior. That's fine.

Inoue had been fighting soft competition the last few years, but that one round destruction of Jamie McDonnell is better than Mikey's Broner win. Moved up and seized another belt first fight in the division.

In the last two years Usyk has beaten Gassiev, Glowacki, Mchunu, and Huck. That's a consistently high standard of competition. He unified the belts, became the man in his division, and ducked no one. I don't think Easter, Broner, and Zlaticanan are quite as good opposition. It's close, but I'd lean toward Usyk.

 

How's it hard to understand? What you said is right below your name. What I said is right below my name. The sequence of our conversation remains the same. I took the text out of the text boxes so they wouldn't be collapsed and harder to read but I left the links to the originals.

 

well there are consequences to writing like ydksab, people realize that ydksab. i dont know why so many people write like each post is written in a vaccum, its not, people remember what you write and profile you. now youre the guy who thinks the mikey that beat easter is not world class and srr is sloppy and unathletic, with few skills. thats who you are here.