Mikkel Kessler - The beginning of the end

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I've been of this opinion for a few years now, Kessler is done at the top level. I'm a massive fan as a lot of people know, so its hard to say it, but tonight should confirm it to the few/remainder of people that think he still has something to offer against top fighters.

    I really don't think so...lets take a look at a few things...

    -Against Perdomo, Bouadla etc who are really poor class, cannon fodder opponents, he didn't find the range very quickly at all. It took him a long time, his accuracy and timing is well off which stands to reason when he's had too many extended absences from the ring.

    - Part of this is his speed is gone, compare Kessler v Mundine, Andrade, Beyer, Calzaghe.

    - His jab is not dominant anymore. Even against guys like Green, Perdomo etc. His jab used to be his defining weapon but tonight it was completely gone, hell he could barely throw the trademark straight right and while the left-hook to finish it was nice it was more evidence of how many roundhouse hopeful punchers were being thrown.

    - Against Froch all of the above was on display. No more can he actually box and dominate opponents, it was all heart and brute force. That fight had the feeling of the last hurrah about it, a great performance but theres not many times you can go to the well to that extent.

    - To add insult to injury he got hurt tonight and his chin could be heading the wrong way.

    - Injuries, bad injuries. He's had back injuries, eye injuries, really nasty types that eat into your career length.

    I don't think Kessler would even beat Cleverly anymore, I'm afraid to say.

    Thoughts/opinions appreciated.
     
  2. boranbkk

    boranbkk "ไม่ได้โม้นะ" Full Member

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    Sorry to not be constructive, but Mikel K a G!!:yep

    I kind of know what you're getting at, but I think he could still put it on alot of guys including the man from the valleys!
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    4 years ago, sure. I'm not so sure he could beat Nathan now. I forgot to mention how easily he's hit now. Ridiculously so. He's never been that hard to find, he's always infront of you, gets squared on, pulls back in straight lines with his gloves down. But...not to the extent we've seen recently, anyone with handspeed can't miss! Reactions are shot.

    Imagining him against a high volume quick guy like Cleverly is not pretty anymore. He can still hit and has heart and toughness and all that, but he's never been a great counterpuncher really, he's better leading and with somebody swarming him with speed and variation he's going to get smacked about pretty bad and he really is quite inaccurate at returning fire now.

    Frank should seize the opportunity, he probably will...the shark.
     
  4. boranbkk

    boranbkk "ไม่ได้โม้นะ" Full Member

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    That's the problem for him, how easy he's hit, but he still has great skills and boy we can see he's still got the power. Maybe you're right but I say he gives any of the top boys problems, he looked very good in 3 and 4.
     
  5. bigboxingfan

    bigboxingfan Hypejob Full Member

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    I agree. It is good that he started hurting Green or else he was looking so open for big shots. He was reaching in and on his way out he would go back in a straight line, perfect for a big counter right hand. Green actually landed a pretty good right hand before the actual kd shot and it was for the exact same reason.

    But the big KO might make people forget what went wrong in round 1............
     
  6. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    Kessler should face the winner of Bute/Froch, no questions. He deserves it. If Froch loses he should move up to LHW and fight Pascal.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    He had to outpunch Frochy. The fact Kessler couldn't win at mid-range with his basic but effective offence I first put down to Froch's awkwardness (still some degree of truth in that I imagine) and an expert re-adjustment by Kessler, but that's maybe not 100% there.

    After Froch, looked sloppy but obviously beat an outmatched opponent. I dent think Kessler looked terrific right before he fought Ward either. He's always been robotic, and now his speed is leaving him he seems so much more stiff and forced.

    Years of weight cutting and injuries finally taking their toll? It certainly appears that way.

    Clev' outworks him IMO. Still, lovely finish from Kessler last night...against the always vulnerable, inconsistent and decidedly average Green, who hasn't ever put a dent in anyone World class and was recently stopped by 75 year old Glencoffe Johnson.

    Kessler is done.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Glad you see the same thing, Flea. And I know you're not Cleverly's biggest admirer, either.

    Green's a waste of time, he shouldn't get any more chances. Fails every single time. Crap chin, has no heart for the sport at all, he always starts off okay and as soon as he gets hit by a world level puncher you can see his attitude change and he goes into survival mode. He had the power and speed to stop Kessler tonight quite clearly but the difference is one mans a fighter and one just ain't.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Clev has some damn good natural fighting attributes, and you know I've always praised that.

    But, as you well know, no defence or ring I.Q either.

    But he's tough, so if Mikkel doesn't blast him Clev should be able to manhandle him all night.

    Kessler looked smaller than Green. If he can't make 168 comfortably anymore (and he's looked physically depleted there since Ward IMO) then he's ****ed at the top level IMO.

    Very weird this because you know what I'm like with opposition and whatnot, but I'd pick Bellew to outjab Kessler at this stage. And if Bellew can take centre ring and navigate Kessler safely he could well stop him IMO.

    I guess that's less me lowering my standards and more anyone observing The Viking Warrior going life and death with Green.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I don't know how anybody could disagree with the statement Bellew would win a battle of jabs with current Kessler. Sounds ridiculous on the face of it because we all remember the beast jab of pre-Calzaghe, but thats not there at the moment and Tony has one of the better jabs in the game right now, certainly at this weight.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Agreed 100%.

    Anyway, it's 06:43, are you whizzing your tits off or summat?
     
  12. kieron

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    I thought that from the opening bell he looked wobbly. His balance seemed off to me and his legs and movement reminded me of Enzo Maccarenelli at LHW.Don't think he can turn the clock back and I've never known a fighter regain his speed once it's gone. Green could amd should have taken him out in the first round which says it all.
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah I agree. If you look at the Kessler when undefeated world champ to now, the difference is huge. The combinations, footwork, straight punches and slipping shots have gone and been replaced by a fighter swinging one wild hook at a time and not very accurate for alot of them, very slow on his feet and unable to slip the jab.
    I hate saying it as Kessler is one of my favourite active fighters but I think he is very past his best also
     
  14. Joe Ko!

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    Kessler has aged alot since the Froch fight, Green can dig but that was worrying, didnt look like that hard a shot.

    I would get him for Cleverly or Bellew right now, perfect timing imo.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Kessler was past it before and during the Froch fight, despite the effort he put in when clearly decisioning Froch in a back-and-forth fight.

    That finished him off by the looks of it. At least at the very top level I imagine.