Mikkel Kessler vs. Chad Dawson at 175 lbs ~ Analysis Thread

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Idiots! :patsch

    Kessler will never have a better chance of beating Dawson than now. The more experience Dawson gains, the more he matures, the more he learns, the better he will be; he'll make fewer mistakes, he'll be more tactically disciplined, he will be more in control of his emotions, he will become more adaptable and versatile, tactically...

    There's talk about Kessler gunning for Hopkins; very commendable, but it would also be at 175, not that it should make much difference to Kessler...but Hopkins has a higher chance of beating Kessler than Dawson imo; if he were smart, he'd fight Dawson now and Hopkins later, whilst Dawson is still inexperienced and raw and when Hopkins is a good couple of months older!

    Why do I get the feeling that even I could manage Kessler better than Palle?:huh
     
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  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I said the same things as others had before me, but in a slightly different way. Bear in mind though that if I overrate Kessler's power and underrate Dawson's resilience/chin, then Dawson's chances improve and he becomes the clear favourite to win by wide UD...(but I don't think I do...:p )
     
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  3. Maden

    Maden Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To my knowlegde they are gunning for Hopkins at catchweight 170.

    Team Palle states that in terms of risk and reward Dawson is not worth it. There is not enough money in such a fight just yet.
    At fight night Dawson walks in around Cruiser weight. Kessler only adds a few pounds over the 168.

    In the end Kessler is willing to fight anybody at 168!
     
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  4. SOMERSETDURAN

    SOMERSETDURAN Member Full Member

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    Kessler is by far the more accomplished boxer IMO. He's got a real fighters heart too, and I don't see anyone from 168-175 other than Hopkins troubling him now, and I include Calzaghe in that.

    Dawson currently has a punchers chance, but no more than that. Kessler's pressure will wear him down, demoralise him and I can see a late stoppage coming his way.
     
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  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You're misinformed, I'm afraid. Dawson walks around 177 lbs before even starting training camp. It's very likely Kessler would outweigh him on the night if they fought at 175 lbs.

    Hopkins will not fight Kessler; he'll fight Dawson instead. If Kessler wanted Hopkins, he should have agreed to fight Dawson first...

    ...how can Kessler keep on saying NO to these great fights offered to him and then say he wants to fight in the USA against big names? :huh

    He'll end up fighting Larsen instead...
     
    Decebal, Nov 13, 2008
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  6. Maden

    Maden Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is Palles words not mine... So maybe Palle is misinformed :)
     
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  7. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chad Dawson, by close decision. He has better movement and speed, he also has a size advantage. Imo Kessler fights in straight lines, and will perhaps lose some power at 175.
     
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  8. denilo

    denilo Member Full Member

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    You are not paying enough respect to palle´s magic crystal ball:lol:
    Master Palle sees that.... ohh calzaghe is not retiring - ohh hes fighting Dawson - ohh I can squeeze Kessler inside Hopkins´ range!

    Palle believes that Calzaghe UD against Jones leaves Hopkins with Kessler.

    I believe that Hopkins - Taylor III will happen instead, but what the hell that´s just my take. Palle´s assesment is kinda´okay.

    Hopkins Just feasted on Pavlik - beating Hopkins now (if he can) will erase the loss/loss scenario, even if people will say that a prime Hop would have beaten Kessler, it will still be the Hopkins that minced Pavlik!

    If he takes Dawson first (imagining that it actually is possible for Kessler to decide matches, if it was, he wouldn´t have boxed for a lousy worthless regular strap!) and gets the opportunity to fight Hopkins later - then people would, win or lose, give him no respect.

    We all know that the boxer abc triangle theory sucks, but I believe it to be commercially viable. In the common media it will be as good as if he defeated Pavlik himself.

    Apart from that, you have a case. Palle rejected the, at then, potentially hyped Miranda-Kessler for his master plan of taking Sartison as a stepping stone to getting Roy Jones:rofl :rofl

    Wonder what he will end up with this time :nut


    P.S. Kessler looks robotic due to his back issues - He will sadly enough probably not be a pro in five years.
     
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  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I'll be amazed if Kessler gets Hopkins. Good luck to Palle and Mikkel! I think the best way to Hopkins is to beat Dawson...but hey, what do I know? Worthless belts? Dawson is a star in the making, he has the backing of the networks and all the American commentators talk about him; it's not about the belts anymore. Kessler would get huge credit for beating him!:good
     
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  10. Jepster

    Jepster Almost Audleysome Full Member

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    I would love for Kessler to fight Dawson, but I think that Palle is really plotting for a fight with Larsen. Think about it he set up Kessler for a titlebout against an up and coming Germany based fighter (Sartison). Then Kessler had to defend the title against a well known albeit mediocre Haüsler in Germany. Palle's trying to push Kessler into the German market he's a sly old tosser...
     
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  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Dawson would give a stiff guy like Kessler hell. He would hit him with combos from all angles and be gone Kessler would freeze up much like Adamek did when he got a taste of Dawson's speed. The only thing Kessler has on Dawson is chin. Bad Chad by UD is the smart pick here.:deal
     
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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Palle wants the sure fire wins for good money for Kessler...he doesn't want him to be the best...:-(

    Kessler's potential will always be limited by having a promoter like Palle, imo. He let him take a shot at Calzaghe, but it seems that's as far as he wants to let Kessler go...back to the safe fights....

    ...shame...because Kessler doesn't have that many more fights left in him, with his back problems, etc., before he starts to decline...:-(
     
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  13. denilo

    denilo Member Full Member

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    Come on, Palle would have given Sauerland a pedicure for getting of the hook (a natural move could have been dropping the belt, but that would have revealed Palle´s actions as totally clueless). If the German market actually is what palle´s gunning for. Then Kessler, somehow, will find a way out of his dubious contract.

    Kessler has stated that he is willing to take just peanuts for his next fight - if the opposition is right (profiled american).
     
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  14. Jepster

    Jepster Almost Audleysome Full Member

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    For a fighter to get out of a Palle contract he has to wait till he is out of any of the official rankings. Palle's contracts are tantamount to slavery...
     
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  15. LockDog387

    LockDog387 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You underestimate Dawson and assume he would lose concentration and allow Kessler to hit him. If Dawson sticks to his gameplan he would TKO Kessler from accumulation or beat him wide UD.

    This fight isn't happening anyway, would rather see Dawson fight Calzaghe. And Kessler certainly isn't going to KO Dawson, his defense isn't that bad. For sure though Dawson will fight Calzaghe first, before Kessler.
     
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