Mikkell Kessler v Jeff harding

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lbarrow, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. lbarrow

    lbarrow Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2004
    Messages:
    1,528
    Likes Received:
    145
    Who you got for this one? Both at there peak 175lbs.
    I think Harding could have his moments and back Kessler up with size but have to favour Kessler to keep his boxing together and win on points
     
  2. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2019
    Messages:
    3,527
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    This would be a fabulous fight. A real rear up. Harding was seriously tough and had bottomless courage but exactly the same could be said about Kessler.
    Jeff was not quick and had a leaky defence but at the same time could always pull a fight back with 1 punch. His right hand was a hammer.
    Kessler wasn't a big one punch hitter and tended to have success with combinations. He had quicker hands and threw more punches than Harding as well as having a better schooled all round game.
    I'd say Kessler on points but the middle rounds, when Harding tended to be at his best in fights would be unforgettable as Harding willed his way into to the contest.
     
    88Chris05 likes this.
  3. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,329
    Likes Received:
    9,936
    Good matchup.

    The only two guys who beat Kessler in his prime were Calzaghe and Ward (really only Calzaghe, Kessler was slipping when he fought Ward), and Harding obviously wasn't on the same talent level as those guys.

    Probably a slight edge to Kessler IF he could keep Harding at the end of his jab, and continue giving him angles, which Kessler was good at in his prime. But there's a really good chance Harding could pull this fight out late, as he was both the bigger/more durable man, and had better stamina.

    If Jeff could force Kessler into a tear up, he has the advantage. Problem is, Harding was just very, very limited, and he'd have trouble getting past Kessler's jab.

    I think Kessler wins a decision, but has to survive some scares to do so. Kessler might be on his last legs circa 11-12, but I think he survives long enough to earn a decision.

    In a 15 rounder, I think Harding stops him.
     
    Somali Sanil, 88Chris05 and mr. magoo like this.
  4. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,010
    Likes Received:
    862
    Kessler points or late tko
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    51,074
    Likes Received:
    25,165
    Agree with Kessler being favored. But yes Jeff Harding was one tough and underrated fighter
     
  6. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,329
    Likes Received:
    9,936
    If Kessler failed to stop that bum Librado Andrade, despite hitting him with 15,000 clean shots, then he's not stopping Harding.

    If anyone gets stopped in his matchup it'd be Kessler.
     
  7. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,010
    Likes Received:
    862
    Harding was knocked out in his first loss, Kessler never,apart from that Froch, Calzaghe and Ward are 1 or 2 steps above Andries
     
  8. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2016
    Messages:
    4,342
    Likes Received:
    4,349
    Kessler was ruffled by Ward roughhouse tactic's and Harding with his mental
    toughness and underrated body attack would upset Kessler momentum.
    Harding pts.
     
  9. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2018
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    I like Kessler on points in this one but he will definitely have some come to jesus moments with Harding in this one.
     
    mhudson likes this.
  10. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,393
    Likes Received:
    3,221
    Got to go with Kessler here. A bit quicker and more rounded than Harding, who was incredibly game and very effective at what he did, but who never adapted and had only one way of fighting. Harding was a sucker for a good uppercut, and Kessler certainly had one of those in his peak years.

    Agree that Kessler isn't stopping him, though. I think in the second Andries fight it was exhaustion which did for Harding as much as Andries' punches. He didn't beat the count but I think being demoralized rather than being out of it was the reason for that. I know McCallum wasn't a heavy puncher at all at 175, but he was still a very accurate and aggressive one. He must have hit Harding with every shot in the book fifty times over, but Harding kept coming after him. On the other hand, I think there's a higher chance that Harding could conceivably stop Kessler. Ward had Kessler holding on and wobbling at least two or three times.

    But more often than not I'd take Kessler's cleaner work and more measured style to take a points win. Would likely be a very good fight with some hairy moments for Kessler, but I see him holding on.
     
  11. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    16,236
    Likes Received:
    15,274
    Kessler only had about 3 maybe 4 fights at this weight so hes not prime at all but if he keeps a kool head and boxes behind his superb 1-2 he should take the UD
     
  12. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    13,468
    Likes Received:
    12,909
    Harding. He had an underrated body attack and wax very strong.
     
  13. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    11,692
    Likes Received:
    4,434
    I think Jeff stops him late while being behind on points.Kessler does not quite have the chin or skills of Mc Callum.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
    Xplosive likes this.
  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    Messages:
    29,501
    Likes Received:
    36,052
    I'd like to see Harding win this one.
    He was one of my favourites back in the day.
     
  15. mhudson

    mhudson Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2022
    Messages:
    540
    Likes Received:
    732
    We obviously haven't got a visual size comparison, but I don't think size would be a factor here. By Kessler's era, 168 had moved on from being a transitional division for middles who no longer were able or willing to make 160. Kessler was a rangy, good sized super-middle; although he never formally campaigned at 175, I don't get the impression that he'd struggle at that weight.

    Conversely, Harding wasn't a huge light-heavy by later standards. Physically strong and durable, yeah, but it's not like he was a boiled down cruiser.

    Size wise they are likely to be pretty similar. The shift from 168 to 175 is quite a common one.

    I think the key to beating Kessler was taking away the jab; Calzaghe, Ward and Froch II all achieved that by different means. Froch literally outjabbed him for the long periods of their second fight. I don't see Harding doing that, and from there I don't see Kessler falling apart under sustained pressure from Harding. There's nothing in Kessler's ledger to suggest that.

    Harding would make it tough and competitive, but ultimately there's a difference in boxing ability that could only be overcome with a big advantage in size/strength and/or fragility on Kessler's part, neither of which seem to apply.