Mini tourney of the most well-known quartet of heavyweights to be dubbed "Great White Hope" by press

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Feb 10, 2025.


Who's the last "GWH" standing?

  1. Jeffries

    25.0%
  2. Willard

    6.3%
  3. Quarry

    18.8%
  4. Cooney

    50.0%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Early 20th Century Bracket: Jeffries vs. Willard

    Later 20th Century Bracket: Quarry vs. Cooney

    Finals: Early vs. Later
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So the permutations that are possible in the finals are:

    Jeffries vs. Quarry
    Jeffries vs. Cooney
    Willard vs. Cooney
    Willard vs. Quarry

    None of the four are uninteresting to ponder.
     
  3. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Either Cooney or Jeffries win this tourney imo
     
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  4. SixesAndSevens

    SixesAndSevens Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire Full Member

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    Quarry - Cooney is quite the exciting fight to ponder on, but I just can't help but feel like Gerry would make Jerry bleed all over the place with those uppercuts of his. I think Cooney wins in the end.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

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    I’ve always hated the term “great white hope” now… Jeff no clue, haven’t seen him fight anyone but Mr Johnson - Willard is interesting no clue how he does with anyone really lol and Cooney probably gets KO’d by Quarry.
     
  6. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the undersized Quarry is my guy in this one. I think he clowns the big clumsy Williard with counterpunches. I'm not a fan of hypothetical matches between Jeffries era and guys like Quarry because the sport is so different but Quarry would have a huge advantage too me. I realize Jeffries wasn't prime against Johnson but he still struggled with the technical Johnson and Quarry also had a bit of cerebral nature to his counterpunching style that Jeffries didn't see in his era. Quarry also proved numerous times that he could beat big punching heavies like Cooney when he smoked Lyle and Shavers. Cooney isn't beating him up less he gets lucky.
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see Jeffries(for sure) and Quarry(90%) in the final, winner? over 15 Quarry, over 25?Jeff.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Oh, it's positively despicable that such a term ever even existed...but it is a part of the sport's history, along with the color line. This quartet besides having this factoid in common just struck me as making for a very interesting bracketology exercise.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    Cooney Nortonizes all of them.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm mildly surprised that nobody has gone for the largest* dog in the hunt. Yes, he's the least skillful boxer of the bunch and yes that's a massive understatement. :lol:

    Even so, it feels like Willard and to a greater extent Carnera have undergone a drastic rehabilitation of reputation on Classic over my last couples of decades on here. The official line on both used to be they were massive but useless lumps (Valuev also fell afoul of this characterization, I think largely as result of dissatisfaction with the Holyfield decision because for all his slowness he did possess a tidy jab if nothing else). I've seen the court of collective opinion gradually defrost on all three giants formerly written off as clumsy oafs, and Willard has even been tipped or at least given a more favorable chance by some posters in hypothetical fantasy match-ups with other champs.

    A majority of historians do typically pick Jeffries h2h over the man that beat the man that beat him - but that's no longer the nigh unanimity it used to be. I certainly wouldn't punt the house on the Pottawatomie Giant getting past the Boilermaker and then also surviving 12 or 15 or however many rounds worth of the best shots of either the Bellflower Bomber or the Gentleman. I could imagine some Classic denizens mounting a credible longshot defense for him, though.

    *I say largest in overall terms. He would have stood eye to eye with Cooney, but typically outweighed him by roughly a stone and was a tad longer in wingspan.

    Comparative array:

    Willard 6'6", reach 83″
    Jeffries 6'2" (careful Googling, the comedian of the same name is 5'1" :sisi1), reach 76½″
    Quarry 6' flat, reach 72"
    Cooney 6'6", reach 81"