Minter Vs. Duran or Leonard-1980. Who Wins?

I agree with you. I think anything over 147 and Duran becomes a hit-miss type of fighter. When style matches favor him and its a good day, he could turn in some great wins, but he was FAR more vulnerable head to head the second he hopped weight over welter. I think Minter is all wrong for him. Awkward, left handed(Roberto did struggle with southpaw jabs), very long and with underrated power in his left, I think unless Roberto comes to the ring to fight like a demon, he probably drops this one. Something like 6/10.

I also agree with your Leonard assessment. Leonard had the speed to land shots from way out, and he was pretty good at slicing up the face. I think Alan stays in it for a bit, but gets the Lalonde treatment late.

 

Hard to say. Leonard would beat Minter on a decision and Duran it hard to say what would happen. Duran would probably win a SD.

 

Very interesting match ups :thumbsup I can see Leonard utilising his advantages in speed to outbox Minter,and winning a decision or cutting Alan up pretty badly,so the ref has to stop it.

Duran,great as he was,would have found this a bridge too far,and would lose on points. Roberto would put up a good fight though.

 

I wouldn't say it's a given that Minter would look to move and box against Duran.It wasn't exactly out of character for Minter to assert himself in the fight,take the lead and press the action.Not hard to imagine Minter fancying his chances against the smaller man,and his lack of defense and Duran's counter-punching(as he was at the higher weights) could make it very competitive.

 

Minter wins both

 

Some thoughts about this.

Minter was a tremendously strong middleweight physically, and nobody quite muscled around the physically powerful Antuofermo the way Minter did in their rematch. However, Alan was not especially adept defensively, and Vito said he could be made to miss.

Antuofermo liked to repeat the maxim that, "They're only southpaws until you get inside," but Vito was strong enough to get inside and stay there in the Hagler draw and controversial title loss to Minter. Duran wouldn't have the option of taking Alan into the trenches and bullying him against the ropes like he did SRL in Montreal.

SRL was not comfortable taking on southpaws. The over matched Kalule and Bonds both exposed technical deficiencies in Ray with respect to this, This is actually a little surprising, considering the fact he was noted for circling right a great deal more than most orthodox boxers of his era. (Holmes was another rare example of somebody at the time who did this well, especially in Shavers I.) Ray is actually slightly taller and with a comparable reach to Minter. Normally a boxer-puncher, this is a situation where he'd probably come in planning to stick and move.

For Minter, cuts may actually not be a factor against Ray. SRL NEVER stopped any of his 25 knockout victims on cuts, and in fact, I can't remember him even drawing blood on an adversary aside from the butt induced laceration inflicted on Benitez. Ray just wasn't the type of puncher to carve somebody up like Arguello could. SRL-Minter likely goes the distance, and only Hamsho defeated Alan over the complete route. (I do think Antuofermo should have gotten the decision in Minter I. However close it was though, what Roland Dakin did was criminal.)

 

Minter's susceptibility to cuts would be his downfall vs Leonard, and quite possibly Duran. Nether of those two wsould be able to outstrength or manhanle Minter, however.

 

There's no chance that SRL would ever beat Minter. Alan was a superb boxer & technician & Leonard could never cut it above 147 never mind 160. he ran away from Hagler in 82 knowing full well that he was in for a hammering & that would be the end of the SRL $$$$ brand. All this SRL will stick & move is pure fantasy.

IT's OK doing it with a old & trundling faded Hagler & 37 year old Duran in 89 but to go in with a peak & skilled box/fighter like Minter would see Leonard proberbly stopped late on. Leonard just did not have the speed (Which was his best defensive attribute in slipping punches & juxtaposed with his combo's) above 147 to trouble a fully fledged & genuine champion such as Minter. Just go watch the Kalule fight & watch the amount of times Leonard was getting whacked & by the 8th he was getting desperate for the stopage as he was gassing big time & that was at 154.

He'd be fighting his usal flat footed plant-em stlye to unload. He's too slow. He's try & take Minter out & thats the only way he could have a chance against Minter & in attempting that he'd get eventually battered/damaged himself & TKO'd late as SRL would be desperately tired after 10 & slowing considerably & his only chance would be to go for broke & get a stoppage on cuts. But it's a TKO or big UD for Minter in this one.

Minter had good power along with the skills & Alan's only problem was he just loved to get into a tear-up & thats where the problem would lie if he fought Duran.

 

A well trained Leonard or Duran at 147 can still beat a bigger, yet stiffer and less talented 160 pounder like Minter in the ring.....

Hagler is a great 160 pounder and he smoked Minter in 1980 like a Thai Stick inside 9 mins.... It would take smaller greats like Leonard & Duran more time to get the job done, but both could and would win against Minter, as well......

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He never smoked Minter. Minter was stopped by a cut

We really dont know how good SRL was at Middle. He has the one win over a faded Hagler which is disputed to this day. I felt hagler give that fight away in the first 4 rounds

Duran on the other hand nearly pulled out a win over a still close to peak Hagler

 

Minter was smoked by Hagler.... Cuts will do.... The bloke was never even close to hitting or hurting Hagler in that '80 massacre..... Minter was lucky the fight was stopped in the 3rd....

Neither Ray or Roberto need to weigh the full 160 to beat the game, but average Minter........ Both Ray and Roberto could do it between 147 to 154 pounds, while Minter weighed 160...... The weight is not all that important here..... Skills are..... Minter loses.....

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Minter narrowly in both.

 

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