MIRANDA back in action at super middle!

will be interesting to see whether the pavlik beating will have any long term effect on him. no doubt that calzaghe and kessler would school him, but could make some noise amongst the other title contenders.

lacy v miranda would be ****ing mental.

 

If Lacy is back from his injury, and Miranda hasn't improved, he'd outbox Miranda with ease all night long.

Miranda v Berrio, however, would be spectacular.

 

He committed four fouls. FOUR, not ONE. Watch the fight.

Calling me ***** just shows your level of dialogue (School boy). It doesn't change the fact that Miranda fouled Abraham multiple times.

You're going to call me on it? What the **** does that mean ? It's a matter of record, not open for dispute, that the fouls took place.

Not that it matters to this argument, but I've been a boxing fan since before you were born. The first fight I watched was Ali-Liston (2) and I've watched thousands of fights since.

Based on what?

I never heard of the guy before he fought Miranda. He's not exactly a huge name in boxing. Some weeks ago on another thread, I listed my twelve favourite fighters.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=363365#post363365

I had three middleweights on there and Abraham was not one of them


In response to a question on a different question, I posted:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=374132#post374132

Does any of this suggest even a remote hyping of Abraham on my part?

But of course, according to your logic, anyone who thinks Miranda is overrated must be an Abraham fan. You're a ****ing genius!

I have pointed that out to you several times now, but your tiny brain doesn't seem to grasp the fact that my first post on this thread was not about Abraham. It was about Miranda, and he could have been fighting Joe Blow. Fact is, he had no control over his temper and had no finishing skills. He lost rounds to a guy with a severely ****ed-up jaw. You can't get '*****' out of your mind. You called Abraham a *****. What does that say about your boy when he couldn't finish off a severely injured '*****' and was backed up and was nearly stopped at the end of round 9 when any decent fighter would have finished Abraham off, given his injury. Your analysis and level of argument is a complete joke.

Who give's a **** if you really believe that?

I watched it on you-tube shortly after it happened. (First time I ever saw Abraham), and I watched it again after reading your ravings a couple of nights ago. It's divided up into parts.

You're the one who needs to rewatch it, without your pro Miranda bias.

If you read all my posts on this thread carefully, you will see that I'm neither a Miranda hater (I've said he has potential) nor an Abraham fan (read my posted links.)

I have no axe to grind one way or another.

You, on the other hand, are a fan of your countryman , to the point of bias.


All of this is obvious to anyone reading the thread.

 

You wrote all that before in post # 45 and I responded and named one in post #52.

It's as I thought. You don't even read the responses, you just mouth off the same questions over and over.

Do you have any idea how much of a complete ****ing idiot you look like on here ?

To give yourself a clue (and you could sure use one), go back and reread the thread, (just your posts and mine will do for now) starting at post # 32.

 

He will come to america next year to fight there. Abraham is not verry well known over there couse hes a fighter from germany but hes still a verry good fighter. Im shure he will fight better known fighters next. Abraham is not afraid og no one, if he would be afraid he would never fought Miranda. And if you watched the fight you see that the early rounds when Abraham was not injured were verry competitive, Abraham was ahead before the injury and without the injury Abraham would have won CLEARLY. Miranda is a good fighter and i like him, but Abraham and pavlick are better. Abraham and Pavlick are also better than Taylor. Man i would also pick miranda to beat taylor!

 

You dont know waht you are talking about , you are wrong with this. Go watch his last 2 fights, i bet your opinion will change.

 

Who has Abraham fought since he fought Miranda? Nobody. Miranda will improve since he lost to Palvik. Fighters learn more from a lose than a win. Miranda needs to fight one or two bums to work on his defences skill and improve his offence of skill. Miranda is a young raw fighter and he will be a champion. People are hating on him now but when he makes his comeback everybody will like him again.

 

I don't think Miranda's going to be making much noise at 168. He'll be fighting bigger guys who can both give and receive harder punches. In other words, Miranda's going to find it harder to stop people and, although I'm not usually one to bang on about chins, is more likely to get stopped himself because of his dodgy jaw.

He's clearly not going to be fighting for a belt soon which leaves him with the other contenders at SMW. I think he loses to most of these.

Lacy's better in every aspect. He hits harder and can take a better punch so a brawl is only going one way.

Mundine's slick enough to outbox the crude Miranda while avoiding punishment. I also think he's got enough power to stop Edison.

Froch is an unorthodox banger with a solid chin. I think he outpunches the smaller, cruder Miranda too.

Miranda's greatest asset lies in his raw power. As he moves up in weight, this advantage lessens and his lack of skills becomes more problematic. If he genuinely can't make 160 anymore, I think he's going to struggle to get anywhere.

 

the guy could have some success at SMW. going up in weight does'nt usually mean a decrease in power, as you usually retain more strength by cutting less weight during fights. there's been a lot of examples of this i.e pacman hitting harder at 122 after jumping up two weight classes, hearns KO power at 154 was deadlier than at WW, RJJ was a harder puncher at SMW than MW etc..... mirandas chin was a question mark before the pavlik fight (as was pavlik's) but it's been proven to be more or less servicable. he took a lot of flush shots from hard hitting pavlik before going getting taken out. getting rocked by flush shots from eastman and abraham was'nt a big surprise as his defence is so porous, and those guys have pretty good pop. with a little more work on technique and defense, miranda winning a paper title at SMW is not out of the question.

 

All valid points, and I agree that he may win a paper title; Berrio's managed to get hold of one.

However, his chin is, as you said, serviceable at best. He's going to be facing some big hitters here and I honestly think their power will get to him before he can do it to them, especially the more proven chins in the division.

As far as the current big names at 168 go, I can see him being comfortably outboxed by Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine and outpunched by Froch and Lacy. He doesn't excel in any area really beyond his natural strength and as he moves up the weights and takes on bigger guys, I feel they'll be better equipped to handle and nullify that. Without that advantage, I don't think he's that special as a boxer.