Miranda v Abraham 2?

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  1. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is so true... he's not even a good boxer.
     
  2. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    There is no way to determine 'true' weight. Fighters will always try to get down to a low weight to have an advantage over their counterparts, even if they weighed in before they walked into the ring. It would just be more dangerous having guys not properly hydrated trying to fight 12 rounds.

    It is not a great system we have, but it the best system I can think of.
     
  3. Pantera2000

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    He was fighting his middleweight fights around 176lbs (16lbs gain).
    His fight with Banks was 170lbs weigh in and he fought at 192lbs (22lbs gain)

    So I would guess he would meet in the middle and gain apprx 18-19lbs and fight around 185lbs. To me that is a great weight for him. 192lbs was a little to heavy. But in this fight he wont need great speed, power will be more important.
     
  4. Alcaldemb

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    The inactivity is a result of him being weight drained. He was much more active prior to the nine month layoff following the Miranda fight. He routinely cuts 15-20 pounds to make middle, the extra weight should improve his stamina. Keep in mind Abraham walks around at about 200 pounds.
     
  5. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He comes in between 175 and 180 on fight night, believe me he walks around at 195-200. It doesn't make him a fatman, he is 5'10" and has a very thick build.
     
  6. Pantera2000

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    Unfortunately Showtime doesnt do these great buildup shows like HBO. This would be a perfect fight for it. I do know that today Showtime is down at Miranda's training camp doing some video. I think they will just do some buildup during the two upcoming fights (Quintana and the Showbox event). They also are planning on showing the original fight, but I have yet to hear what that schedule is.
     
  7. Pantera2000

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    I believe it, these guys carry the weight well. I have seen Miranda at 210lbs and he just looks huge, by no means fat.
     
  8. Alcaldemb

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    I have seen Edison at 200-210 as well, he looks a little too bulky in the chest and shoulders for my taste (I don't think it is good for a boxer to be bulked up), but he is very clearly not fat.

    I used to do sparring with fighters and could get down to 168 or so, but walk around as high as 220 and still have low body fat (sub 15%), so by no means is it hard for a guy to fluctuate in weight like that, it is all about build.
     
  9. Alcaldemb

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    I have met him as well, and talked to Wegner and Meyer over at SE. Meyer said he walks around at 195-200, it really isn't that hard when you consider that someone like Tarver comes down from 220 to fight at 175.
     
  10. Pantera2000

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    For Miranda Abraham I they both entered the ring around 174-176lbs. I forget the exact amount, but they were almost the same.
     
  11. Alcaldemb

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    Yeah, both guys are of similar size and build. Miranda has a smaller torso and legs, but bigger shoulders and chest.
     
  12. Pantera2000

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    Have you seen Miranda legs???? They are huge.
    Miranda has bigger legs and back. Abraham has the arms/shoulders.
     
  13. Alcaldemb

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    Last time I was at the Hard Rock he was wearing too-tight pants, so hard not to notice. Then again, given that I was in their relative weight class when I was actively training with guys I tend to compare them to my build, and I have legs like tree trunks so that skews things a bit :lol:
     
  14. Azriel

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    You sure you were looking at the legs?:hey
     
  15. Pantera2000

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    Yes, Miranda likes his tight True Religions!
    I have seen Miranda weigh in naked (more than once) to try to make that final few ounces, and if it wasnt for what he hides under those TR jeans, he could be fighting at 154lbs. :yep