Mistake that is being made from all sides: Joe vs Bernard

For months now I have read as Calzaghe fans have tried to sell is resume as something great. "Oh Joe has fought sooo many top guys, that he will have a easy time with Hopkins"

On the Flip side Others have been saying "Oh Joe hasnt fought anybody, so he will lose to Hopkins"

This is a mistake. I for one am one of those people that say that Joe's resume is weak, HOWEVER I dont think that is the reason that he would lose to Hopkins should that be the outcome. How many elite fighters or Top guys had Jones beat when he wiped out Toney who was top 3 p4p at the time??? How many elite fighters had Pac beat when he killed MAB?? Its not about not having fought elite fighters, its about actaully being good and being able to adjust to elite fighters. And for me that is the question about Joe, we just dont know how good he is, and this weekend will tell us how good he is.

On the other side so many of Joe's Fans are selling Hopkins short, talking about him fighting small guys, but he has also fought bigger guys. Thing about small fighters is, they are fast, so in order to beat them you have to deal with speed. That is something that Hopkins has proved that he can do. Joes fans fail to understand that. Hopkins has been in the ring with about every style there is, and has won all but a few fights. No one would disagree or very few would, that were Hopkins to fight the guys that Joe has fought he too would still have his 0.

Lets just enjoy the fight.

 

Kessler would beat Hopkins because he is just like Taylor only hits harder.

 

wrong wrong wrong, jt is not kessler and kessler is not jt.kessler is kessler and jt is jt.

dont forget how hopkins drained himself to make weight all those yrs.we are not talking about a 43 160 bhp we are talking about a 43 bhop at 175 a weight class that he should have been at yrs ago.

he is must stronger and faster and at better health fighting at the weight he started at in 19 ****ing 88.

plus he did not beat lose to jt anyways, jt did not land **** and neither kessler so they could be twin brothers for all i care.

bhop through less and landed more in every single catagory in both fights, judges just perfered the more bussier fighter.the picked the guy with the most thrown and not the most landed.

thats boxing so if you want to use that as an example go head ill eat that bull **** up all day.

 

we have a nuthugger!

 

you make a few good points, but who waits until there last few 2 or 3 fights to an elite fighter.

i understand roy and pac but hell it did not take them 44 fights to step up did it :huh , naw about 20 something.rjj had about 20 fights when he finally fought bhop and the james toney.

only a uk fighter would go over 40 and never fought an elite fighter.or leave the uk.

 

**** we have afew nutthuggers, who you tellin.

just keep the facts straight and real.

 

Lol. Hopkins got bettered by Jermain at least once and Jermain is just half as busy as Kessler Hopkins just wouldn't have been able to cope with that pressure! Also to say Hopkins would not lose to Jermain @ a higher weight is utterly hypothetical, after all did Taylor not last longer @ a higher weight vs Pavlik? Taylor was weight drained too. Bottom line is Kessler would beat Hopkins.

 

Until Calzaghe is bigger than Tarver? Hop's fought bigger guys.

Many mistakes in many an "anaylsis" but this FIGHT has been fueled by a promotional theme that I find disgusting between 2 men who have walked the paths like men and Champions.

Now its USA vs UK? Maybe in a sense, but not the nonsense that gets a lot of use in that analogy as well.

To me? This is the Former 160 Champ, Current LHW Champ vs The 168 Champ. REAL CHAMPS, great fighters, competing to see who IS THE BEST! That's what the spirit of the sport is all ABOUT:good Stuff legends are MADE of:yep

STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!!! And that's ****ing with me BIG-TIME RIGHT NOW! :-( :hey
Which man can IMPOSE his style on the OTHER? That's the KEY in this fight. Joe's never fought a guy on Hop's level before and Hop's has fought TOP NAMES/Fighters before. Age? Always the Hopkins question huh? With the amount's spent and FIRE in Hopkins camp? Joe just better be ready to beat the toughest foe he's fought yet.

Kessler beat Hopkins??:rofl GTFOH!!!!!!!!!!!:yep :hi:

 

oh i must have missed that fight, jt was almost stoped in the 1st fight and i had the 2nd fight a draw.

and were you get this kessler hits harder then jermain from.kelly said he hit like a muel and after the 2nd rd in the jt vs kp fight i tend to think jt can crack.

is kessler a faster puncher, with stiff fast jabb like jt.we might see jt vs kessler sometime.i hope you are around on this site when that fight gets made if it does.


that way we can see how the same they are but kessler stronger as you put it.

i never sayed at a higher weight hopkins would not lose to jt, i sayed hopkins did not lose to jt PERIOD !!
**** a weight class, and jermian was weaker at 160 but jt was what 26 when he fought bhop and bhop was what 41.i wonder who it hurt worst a young man in his prime or old popkins.

keep it moving lil dude:good

 

I like your style Plat

I guess we shall see come Saturday, once the fight is over we'll be in a better position to analyze this one

 

see i can be civil when i read post like this but the nut huggin joe cal is going to throw 1000 punches in a round has to go jump in the lake.

 

i come across as a dick head that how i am, but i can admit when im wrong.i have sayed the same **** and have been wrong and have admitted it.

at least if jc does win i want say hopkins was to old, cause you know that will be the 1st thing coming like a **** storm.

hopkins was to old or hopkins got old over night, or hopkins in his prime would kick joe's arse.

if joes beats him now, he beats him then. :good

 

I think that the idea that Joe hasn't shown an ability to adjust to a top fighter or find an extra gear is an incorrect assumption as well.

He clearly turned it up a notch against Kessler when he had too. Kessler fought a great fight and anyone who knows boxing could have watched that fight and seen that. But Cazlaghe was able to take his game to the next level everytime Kessler put on the pressure. Infact I remember thinking after the fight that that was one of the few fights I have seen where a guy put on a masterclass and showed everything you'd want to see out of a professional fighter and couldn't have possibly fought a better fight but still lost the fight. Having not seen much of either fighter I have been a believer in both ever since. Calzaghe is the real deal and has shown me everything I need to see to now he is great and has the ability to adjust to great fighters.

 

First off I didnt say that he couldnt adjust to elite fighters, what im saying is that's the question that I have about Joe. Kessler isnt an elite fighter, no matter how much some wish it so. I dont recall seeing him on ANY p4p top 20 lists before his fight with Joe. Kessler is a good young fighter that also has alot to prove. I mean damn his resume is horrible.

 

Be honest...please, just once. You have NEVER seen Bernard Hopkins fight. Its ok, we wont ridicule you if your honest...but every post you make proves that you havent, so just come clean with us. We are you friends, we will not judge you.