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MMA ATG list

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by lufcrazy, Dec 28, 2017.



  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    So over the past year I've watched a ****-tonne of MMA fights. I own all the UFC DVDs that have been released, I've watched all the Pride and Strike force events that exist on the Internet. I've watched a fair few Rings, Dream, Heroes and Shooto as well. Not watched much Belator.

    Anyways after watching everything I've complied my top 66 ATG list. It isn't really based on resume or achievement, more of a list based on winnability.

    If debating lists is your bag feel free to critique providing its constructive.

    Have I missed anyone? Are any of the placements no justifiable?

    For better or worse, here goes.

    1 Georges St Pierre
    2 Anderson Silva
    3 Fedor Emilianenko
    4 Connor McGregor
    5 Demetrious Johnson
    6 Jon Jones
    7 BJ Penn
    8 Dominic Cruz
    9 Daniel Cormier
    10 Max Holloway
    11 Matt Hughes
    12 Jose Aldo
    13 Frankie Edgar
    14 Kazushi Sakuraba
    15 Rodrigo Nogueira
    16 Wanderlei Silva
    17 Dan Henderson
    18 T.J. Dillshaw
    19 Mauricio Rua
    20 Stipe Miocic
    21 Tyrone Woodley
    22 Mirko Filipovich
    23 Rampage Jackson
    24 Jake Shields
    25 Royce Gracie
    26 Chuck Liddell
    27 Fabricio Werdum
    28 Robbie Lawler
    29 Randy Couture
    30 Tito Ortiz
    31 Luke Rockhold
    32 Cain Velasquez
    33 Lyoto Machida
    34 Robert Whittaker
    35 Takanori Gomi
    36 Yoel Romero
    37 Urijah Faber
    38 Stephen Thompson
    39 Jacare Souza
    40 Eddie Alvarez
    41 Kid Yamamoto
    42 Gilbert Melendez
    43 Cody Garbrandt
    44 Shinya Aoki
    45 Chris Weidman
    46 Junior Dos Santos
    47 Rafael Dos Anjos
    48 Rich Franklin
    49 Anthony Pettis
    50 Rory Macdonald
    51 Sean Sherk
    52 Rashad Evans
    53 Demian Maia
    54 Frank Shamrock
    55 Alistair Overeem
    56 Vitor Belfort
    57 Renan Barao
    58 Benson Henderson
    59 Chad Mendes
    60 Miguel Torres
    61 Alexandre Nogueira
    62 Josh Barnett
    63 Michael Bisping
    64 Joseph Benavidev
    65 Mike Brown
    66 Henry Cejudo
     
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  2. stormenic

    stormenic Member Full Member

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    Conor McGregor 4th? Im a big fan, but cmon...
     
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    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    These are hard to do but it's not a bad list at all,as a Diaz bros fan I'm suprised at some of the people you have put on the list above Nick such as Wonderboy.Also you have Holloway listed more then once.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think Wonderboy is one of the best ever WW fighters. He reminds me of CroCop.

    Good spot on Holloway.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm not really a fan of McGregor, I much prefer submission fighters. But he's beaten the two best FW fighters other than himself and he's beaten one of the best ever LW fighters.
     
  6. Manassas

    Manassas "The Count of Monte-Fisto" Full Member

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    Honorable mention to Don "The Predator" Frye. For his era, he was a killer.

    Hellacious 'stash too
     
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    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    Bas Rutten would easily have made this list but I guess because majority of his career was in PANCRASE you wouldn't have got to see much of him other then his 2 UFC fights at the end of his career which included winning the UFC heavyweight title. Before UFC started PANCRASE contained most of the top dogs and he was 1 of the best ,he was an inspiration for at least a couple of the fighters in your list and was 1 of the few fighters who retired at or near his peak .
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I have two problems with Bas.

    One is that I don't think Pancrase was entirely legit.

    Two is that h2h I don't think he stacks up against those HW fighters I've named above him.
     
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    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    Sure I have heard some things about PANCRASE but nothing worse then I heard about PRIDE with most of the stars on PEDS and multiple fixed fights,you didn't ever question why the refs had an ear piece during fights.I can understand you not having him on your list as you didn't see much of him fight but Bas is easily a top 50 P4P fighter beating a lot of the best fighters of his time before UFC was around. TBH I'm not sure I've seen many P4P ratings that have Frank Shamrock rated above Bas, who beat Frank twice and it should have been 3 times if not for there 1st fight where Frank was lucky to get the decision. Even tho Bas won the UFC title and beat a lot of the top Heavyweights I would class him as more of a Light-Heavyweight
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Frank beat Tito which is better than anything Bas did.

    Even if you class him as a LHW, out of the LHW fighters on my list who was he better than?

    I think Belfort smashes him and he's the lowest of my LHW fighters.
     
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    DONT B SCARED Pimpin Aint Easy Full Member

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    How many fights of BAS have you seen?there is a few L-Heavy and Heavy is clearly better then on your list but I guess I can understand you picking so many recent fighters on your list.Tito is actually 1 of the guys who looked up to Bas when he started. Obviously polls like this are just speculation and while I disagree with some of your selections it's a pretty good list based on who you have seen fight. Any reason it's a Top 66 list?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Seen all his UFC fights and a couple of the Pancrase fights but for me they aren't legitimate enough to add to greatness. Plus even when the fights where on the level the rules were so obscure, no closed fists, rope breaks etc.

    For me his biggest weakness is his ground game. He can't stuff a takedown. There's no way he's beat someone as well rounded as Tito imo let alone those who later surpassed Tito skill wise.

    He was a great striker, deadly liver kicks, but for me his beat MMA stint was as a Pride commentator. Maybe I'm harsh on Pancrase but it's just how I view it.

    The way I compile my list is like a cumulative system. So I add fighters to it until there is 10 reps from their weight class and then if any more of that weight prove to be greater I then remove people from the list. In the lower weight classes there isn't 10 great fighters imo so the numbers are a bit lower than 80.
     
  13. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Superintendent MOD Full Member

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    Mirko should be higher. Remember he was a small heavyweight that consistently beat larger men. Same with Fedor.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Can't really rank Mirko ahead of Miocic just yet and Fedor is the highest ranked HW fighter on my list.
     
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    Biggest problem for me in Nogueira. Nogueira would arguably be in the top 3, p4p of all time, had it not been for Fedor. His resume is insane. Herring, Hendo, Barnett, Cro Cop, Coleman, Couture, Sylvia, Ricco, Werdum, Kharitonov...Hell, the biggest reason behind Fedor's clout is that he could beat Nogueira.

    You could easily put him ahead of Mirko and Miocic.
     
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