MMA.....explain to a Boxing fan?

Yeah, bull****.

Once you get past the top 10-15 boxers, boxing pay falls off a cliff. After Pacquaio takes his $20 million and Arum takes his several million, how much do you think is left for the guys on the undercard who nobody has ever heard of? :blood

****, a no-name UFC guy who gets paid 8k to show and 8k to win still gets sponsorships and has a chance to get a $40-80k bonus every time he fights. Joe Lauzon, who's never been in a title eliminator much less than a title fight, has earned half a million bucks just in Fight of the Night/Submission of the Night bonuses alone.

Or look at Josh Koscheck. Longtime name in the UFC, has been a contender for years. Has had two title shots and never worn the belt. Look at his house and his hobbies.

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Koscheck has never earned more than $200k disclosed pay for a fight, and he's only headlined two cards. He's never been a top p4p guy. But he's been in the UFC for years, has been a top-10 in his division for years, and is a guy who the fans recognize and like to see on a card. How many boxers who've never been p4p guys do you reckon live like that? :blood

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Exactly. UFC fighters with less than 10 fights are making 5 figures whereas El Gato Figueroa fought a title eliminator with Randall Bailey for $6K.

 

Koscheck does NOT own that house!

His salary is about $150,000 per fight. Plenty of boxers earn multiples of that.

Again, you need to compare specific fighters to what they draw/PPV's they sell or TV ratings to what they make.

Chad Dawson got $600,000 to face Andre Ward. Ward made, what, $1.367 million? That wasn't even a PPV fight.

 

LOL, but no, this is just anti-MMA propaganda.

Tim Sylvia was never a popular or fan favorite MMA fighter. Anyone could find clips of the Klitschkoes fighting methodically and even the score, but no reason to go slumming to make a malicious argument.

 

Plenty of unknown fighters on UFC undercards. And if Pacquiao or his team veto a stronger undercard because it undercuts his paycheck, that's smart business on his end.

Same goes for the UFC giving its fighters the least amount of money possible-- more leverage for the UFC, and smart business for them.

Not judging, just pointing all this out with facts.

 

Awesome, an MMA vs Boxing thread. I never get tired of these.

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Who are the elite level Kickboxers? There ain't many only a handful over a long period of time.

Oh and in terms of boxing why does everyone always forget Yodsanan 3K Battery? The guys a bonafida badass! Elite boxer, quality Muay Thai fighter and work in progress MMA fighter.

 

Lots of kickboxers have tried MMA with mixed success (depending on what they invested): Alistair Overeem, Stephen Leko, Ramon Dekker (a one-off he was bound to lose), Mirko Cro Cop, Semmy Schilt-- the list goes on.

Also many guys were kickboxers or had kickboxing bouts before MMA, and abandoned Muay Thai like Shogun Rua. Could Rua have done well in Muay Thai? Who knows...similar to Vitali Klitschko being a kickboxer before boxing.

 

Sure, I realise many guys in MMA come out of MT/Kickboxing backgrounds, but it was the word "elite" that got me to respond to your post, you made it sound commonplace when actually it is is such a rarity for an "elite" level MT/kickboxer to make that permanent move over to MMA.

Like I said only a handful of "elite" kickboxers have made the move to MMA and no surprises most of them are HWs and many of them in the later stages of their Kickboxing careers. Bar a very few notable exceptions HW MT/Kickboxing is and always has been bereft of "elite" talent. Above and below 72 kilos are two totally different worlds. Most top fighters above 72 kilos display little more than what would pass for only C class level talent below 72 kilos.

For a whole bunch of reasons most "elite" Kickboxers or MT guys never even think of a switch to MMA, infact except for Ramba Somdet I struggle to think of one "elite" kickboxer or MT guy that has made the permanent move to MMA............I'm sure there must be some but I really can't think of any!:think. Rambaa only did it once his MT career was all washed up and Rambaa was never really an elite MT guy. The only guy on your list above I'd consider as "elite" was Dekkers and as you said that was a one off.

I don't really get the Shogun Rua thing you mentioned, what did he achieve in MT? Nothing as far as I can see. Similar with Anderson Silva often held up as a bastion of MT, which simply isn't the case. Silva also achieved little in the MT world. MT as taught in Brazil doesn't seem to be quite that same animal as MT taught in Thailand or many parts of Europe. I'm not knocking them as fighters, it's just they were obviously better suited to MMA especially coming from such an MMA hot bed as brazil which boasts a huge BJJ scene but nothing more than a tiny MT scene with little opportunity or pedigree.

****, I really digressed in that one. Late here & shattered. :tired

 

Try not to worry about it Boran, generally it is just a case of Roganitis really

Other than a few guys like the Yank wrestlers and BJJ guys like Werdum & Maia, you should really translate ''elite'' for ''good for MMA'' because that's what most guys mean when they talk about elite...its in the context of MMA and not the Muay Thai/Boxing/ and so on scene

 

Point taken mate. :good

Nice avy....

 

So Koscheck owns a ferrari of the sky plus a nice little collection of cars + a mansion..

If this really is his house it wont be in a few years to come. Wouldnt surprise me if this is really danas house and he just wants everyone to think UFC guys are rolling in it.

That is a huge turnoff for boxing, thats why MMA will continue to grow whilst Boxing will continue to lurk in shadows preying on the weak.

 

I've read that Kos is involved in real estate in Fresno as well, outside of fighting. Plus he runs his own gym. Plus whatever else he may have going on. Point is, he is likely making a fair bit of money outside of MMA. He's also a pretty popular fighter, having two stints on TUF, both as coach and contestant, so I don't know why he is being used as an example, even if he hasn't been champion.

 

ahh that explains a few things. Atleast hes got something to fall back onto unlike countless other athletes who live beyond their means then lose it all when their careers end.