mma fighters that have gone to boxing?

I'm sure this will get flamed, but I've not seen an MMA fighter who can punch effectively... at least not as effectively as a boxer.

Lots of arm punches with nothing on them, and haymakers you can see coming from a mile away.

When I hear MMA guys (Forrest Griffin) for example, talk in interviews about punching and they show clips, he's talking about jabs when the guy is throwing an overhand right.

On The Ultimate Fighter, Chuck is showing guys punching technique that is just horrendous, then they get into the ring and land flush punches that my grandma could walk though. Hell, if Court would have thrown one correct punch on this weeks show he would have KO'ed Nick Ring and won the fight instead of getting robbed in the worst decision I've ever seen in MMA.

Anyway... I'm just saying... "boxing" in mma is a general term that usually equates to a bunch of crap punches.

I don't understand why these guys don't learn proper technique.

 

The exact same reason a champion boxer can't compete at the highest levels of MMA and win with any remote consistency. It's not that simple!

 

You mean like when a 50 year old Mercer knocked out a former champion in Tim Slyvia?

Have Brock Lesnar go into boxing and knock out Lennox Lewis, and you may have a claim.

 

You mean when that same Mercer got strangled by a street fighter with almost zero skills?

Edit - If Lesnar, by some weird circumstance, boxed Lennox Lewis and knocked him out, would I then say, "Aha! That proves that MMA is superior to boxing!" No, that's an absurd statement. Completely ridiculous. What I would say is that Lesnar punches extremely hard and he got a fortunate punch that landed well. It doesn't make him the superior boxer. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

 

So, are you sayin that Mercer didn't beat one of your champs?

Cuz I remember him beatin Tim Sylvia.

Why don't you tell me when Brock Lesnar beat one of the boxing champs.

Oh ****, he didn't.

He would get beat so bad that he would **** himself in the ring.

 

Please now refer to my edited post above.

And it's beyond laughable thinking that outside of a bear or something similar attacking him, Lesnar would **** himself because of another human being.

 

I'll be honest, if Lesnar beats Lennox at boxing, feel free to bash boxing. Something like that has so little chance of occuring, you would have free reign to say whatever you want.

But the reality is, Lesnar would get beaten to a pulp.

He would not be able to utilize his wrestling skills, and Lennox would keep him at a distance hammering him with right hands that would make his head spin.

And it's not that he would necessarily be scared that would make him **** himself, it's just that Lennox would get such clear, wide open shots, that eventually one of them will cause Lesnar's bowels to release.

 

Again, as I said in the other thread, very little sense and logic arises from your posts.

Why would I say, if something happened that was very unlikely, would I say that it was now commonplace to think that then very unlikely occurance would now happen regularly? No, of course not. That would be sheer stupidity.

As I said before, if Lesnar beats Lennox Lewis in a boxing match, it will not be because of superior boxing skills. It's clear as day which is the superior boxer. You won't get anyone in the entire world who has some semblance of reason who will. So, it follows, logically, if Lesnar happens to beat Lewis in a boxing match, it must have been a bizarre circumstance that is exceptionally unlikely to occur again.

It's really quite simple.

 

So if Toney beats Couture, you would only say that's due to some bizzarre circumstance?

Why wouldn't get get any credit?

Isn't boxing a facet of MMA?

What if he does manage to be stronger on the ground?

If Lesnar knocks out Lewis...while Lewis has been knocked out before...if Lesnar does it, you gotta give him some credit.

 

You couldn't have missed the point by much more then you have. Which is shocking.

I didn't once say, or even suggest, that he shouldn't get credit should he win. Of course he should. He won.

And yes, boxing is a facet of MMA.

If he somehow manages to be stronger on the ground it's not because of his boxing ability. It'd be because he developed ground skills to suppliment his outstanding boxing ability. One does not strongly correlate to another either way.

And, again, of course you give credit where credit is due. However, you'd have to think, reasonably, if that did happen, that something went either wrong with Lewis or that it was a fortunate happenstance that allowed Lesnar to win, which is where the term "puncher's chance" arises from. While it's clear that the technically superior boxer, maintaining comparitve size, will win the overwhelming majority of the time, he can't control all aspects of the fight and thus, it's possible to land a punch that ends the fight. Unlikely, but possible. But you wouldn't say it was because he was technically superior.

 

Let me clarify.

Since boxing is a component of MMA, why don't MMA fighters want to learn the most effective way to punch?

 

BJ Penn has very effective boxing technique.Freddie Roach has gone on record as saying his skills are very good.

Other people throw wide looping shots but if you have to prepare for every single type of strike that can come your way,your stance has to be set differently so you won't be able to throw a punch in a way that a boxing purist would consider correct.

 

oh FORMER UFC heavyweight champion circa 2002,2007 Tim Sylvia? The fat out of shape former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia?he decides to be ******ed and stand up against the guy,he's going to get ktfo and he'll deserve every bit of it.

UFC Heavyweigh division requires you to weigh in at or below 250.He fought Ray Mercer at 310 pounds. He's the very definition of past his prime,"**** it i'm here for the check" that night and if he was dumb enough to stand with Ray Mercer who is strong as a ****ing ox,then that's his own dumbass fault.

 

The Heavyweight limit is 265 pounds in the UFC. (And in MMA in general. Beyond that is the Super Heavyweight Division)

Edit - And don't bother getting into it with that guy. I already did and he has no response (becase there isn't one) so leave it at that. He listens to reason as much as I listen to a homeless person shouting about the end of the world.