mma fighters that have gone to boxing?

Okay, fair enough.

Again, it's not even close to as simple as it seems on the surface.

Answer is you can't simply box while fighting mixed martial arts. You just can't. (Well, you can, but it leads to a huge amount of problems when contrasted with other styles) So, in order to give yourself the best chance to defend against a shoot in single/double, you have to change your stance. You change your stance, your mechanics of throwing a punch change drastically! Not by a little bit, but drastically! That and there is so much more to think about. Not just where is his next punch coming from, though there is that, but is he going to kick me? Rush me? Clinch me? Drop to a single? Ankle pick? Toss/throw? How do I respond to all of these situations? I have to remember where I am relative to the cage because even that changes the dynamics of what's happening!

And that's just on the feet. Nevermind the ground.

So, again, boxing fans tune in and expect to see boxing-esque punches, when frankly...it's not going to happen. Pretty much ever. Because while the fundamentals of boxing are designed specifically for a punch, they're also designed only for that and they don't take account for the enormous variety of other things that can and will happen in MMA (but doesn't in boxing).

I hope that makes sense.

 

If this is the case, then why does Anderson Silva often fight out of a traditional boxer's stance?

This talk about Toney's stance for instance being innefective at "MMA boxing" is ludicrous. They assume as if his balance isn't equally distributed.

If that was the case, he would not have gotten where he is today. Balance is a huge part of his style's equation.

 

Ah, you're always fun...sorta.

While Anderson does sometimes adopt a "traditional boxer's stance" you'll notice (or maybe not) that he doesn't stay in it for long stretches. Sometimes he'll revert to a Capoeira movement called the jenga. However, he doesn't do it all the time. Reason being is that they're not hugely effective to be employed at all times. Sure, in certain situations they work just fine, but they're selective scenarios where they'd be ideal. (That, and the fact that he's that damn good allows him far more leeway to do weird things because he's ridiculously fast and adept)

 

No. Muay Thai is notorious for having zero headmovement and being flat footed.

Advantages and disadvantages, It depends on the fighters.

Punching is the cornerstone of striking and kicking leaves huge holes to counter.

 

The fact is Anderson does it because he is relatively talented, the majority of mma fighters don't, because they are not. The level of combatant is low.

 

And ignoring kicks leaves half of your body (if not, more) completely exposed, and which without is impossible to throw a correct punch.

 

Not necessarily. It might just show, and I think is correct, how absurdly good he is.

During Roy Jones Jr's reign as Champion were people spouting that the level of competition in boxing sucks, or the fact that he was such a damn good boxer?

 

Yes, Roy beating other elite boxers drawn from a huge wordwide talent pool is certainly comparable to Anderson outstriking the likes of Griffin and an assortment of grapplers...:roll:

 

Well, maybe maybe not, but Roy beating other elite boxers is comparable to Anderson beating other elite Mixed Martial Artists.

 

No it isn't. Anderson's style is based primarily around striking. He has poor wrestling and average ground game in general, he wins fights by outstriking his opponents. His opponents are all very limited strikers, there is zero basis to make a comparison. MMA's talent pool is very small compared to boxing and generalistically the best fighters come from grappling backgrounds, the striking is abysmal.


Comparing the domination that Karelin had in wrestling against other elite wrestlers would be a more apt comparison, as the competition in their respective sports was similar, although in actuallity Karelin has Roy beat by a decent margin.

Anderson was actually berating an opponent in his last fight, for having the supposed audacity to not engage him standing... He should try his hand at k-1 or boxing if he feels that way, i won't hold my breath.

 

Please don't turn into a HENDO or rusty-nails kind of poster.

I should have stopped reading as soon as your said Anderson had "an average ground game in general," which is so far from the truth that I can't begin to measure it.

Yes, many of his opponents have been grappling based opponents, but that's because grappling, on average, gives you the best control and best chance to win a fight. He has faced some very good strikers and has done, clearly, well against them. He was supposed to fight Vitor Belfort, but that obviously fell through.

And you don't have to tell me about his actions in his last fight. I'm more then disgusted with the bull**** he did against Maia.

 

I think some clarification is needed here. Anderson wins his fights through outstriking his opponents, who happen to primarily be grapplers. Jones' career consisted of him beating world class strikers by........you guessed it, striking. Added to the fact that MMA's talent pool is miniscule compared to boxing and it lacks a proper amateur program. How in any way are the two comparable?

By no definition would anyone conceive Anderson as a particularly proficient wrestler and to a wider extent grappler in general. He generally avoids the grappling component of his bouts at all costs.

Name me these so called elite strikers he has faced, the very notion is comical. Elite strikers don't ply their trade in mma, outside of very few exceptions.

 

I'll deal with that nonsense of a post after the UFC Event.

 

James23, did you notice Stevens in a classic boxing stance? He looked like a boxer who moved to MMA. You could see he had a lot more power than the other guy, but that the other guy was surprisingly durable.

Lot of good fights on last night's card. Too bad boxing isn't doing the same thing.

 

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