MMA is fun, but here's why i think it lacks when compared to boxing.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by klion22, Nov 17, 2007.


  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I must admit, MMA is fun to watch. A lot more action than boxing. But i think MMA falls short because of the skills factor. More specfically, the lackthereof shown by most fighters. Most fighters aren't very skilled in MMA. They just go in with a tough guy attitude and predict that he will KO the other guy but once they are in there, you can clearly see that their overall skill set is very, very limited. They just don't do anything great. And if they do, it's one thing which limits their overall game.

    Of course, i'm not talking about the 10% of MMA fighters who really do know their stuff and are "professionals" when fighting but i do get the sense that overall, the talent in MMA is lacking. They just don't know what they are doing in there.

    Anyone watching the latest version of the UFC reality show with Serra/Hughes? I can't believe how pathetic some of the fighters are in terms of skillset. If it's not a lack of skillset, it's a lack of hunger/desire. The last fight i saw, the guy losing against supposedly the most talented fighter in Mac did nothing but hold onto Mac and put his head down the whole time. I'm supposed to watch this? Where is the technique? The science of the sport? Has the talent level dropped this much?

    On the flip side, boxing is truly a narrowly defined profession where you definitely need a good skill set to do good things. So in that aspect, i respect boxing more because they are actually "professionals" participating in a sport that requires skills. But with MMA, there are too many guys who just know a few things and try to land a haymaker with very little technique. I want to watch guys who KNOW what they are doing. Not just go in there and look lost. It's supposed to be a "profession" right? I'm not seeing it with most fighters.

    Again, with the best in MMA, they really are pros and are on top of their games and know how to use proper technique while they are in the ring. And you can clearly see a chess match when two hard core professionals are in there. And those matches are really fun to watch. But i do get the sense that the overall skillset in MMA is sorely lacking. Too many wanna be tough guys thinking that having a tough guy mentality will get them a win. And once they get in there, there's very little technique or generalship in there.

    So MMA is fun but the talent level or lackthereof is starting to show in terms of the overall pool of fighters.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    Personally, I dont get any enjoyment from watching it, Im not hating on it or anything just dont find any enjoyment in it! Each to their own I guess, Boxing for me is THE KING OF SPORTS!
     
  3. Nwil

    Nwil Active Member Full Member

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    MMA loses the science aspect because it tries to be the juggernaut martial art. boxing is specialization, which is why it's an art, a science. MMA is much more broad, so you get guys who are athletic and they learn a little of everything, then compete, which is why you see a lack of true skill in fighters. They don't need to be superb at anything. It may be more entertaining than boxing, but it'll never have the depth.
     
  4. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you like watching street fighters mma is the thing for you.
     
  5. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    That reminds me of something.. Some jackass was like "Who would win a street fight, Floyd Mayweather of Rampage?"....Wow, what a fair fight, that made me ask, who would win if it was Rampage and Wladimir?

    Most MMA fans hate on boxing way more than boxing fans hate on MMA it seems like to me...

    Not to mention if it was Floyd he would probably just have 50 Cent shoot him.
     
  6. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think I'd still favor rampage.
     
  7. Action

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    Press Release

    MMA vs Boxing

    HARTFORD (November 16, 2007) – Mixed-martial-arts fighter Dan “The Upgrade” Lauzon is scheduled to make his pro boxing debut on November 24 against Las Vegas high profile defense attorney Marc “The Defender” Saggese (3-0, 3 KOs), known as the toughest pound-for-pound lawyer in the world, in a four-round cruiserweight bout televised on “Pinnacle FiteNite: The Heat’s On In Hartford” show, at the Connecticut Convention Center in Hartford..

    Another MMA fighter, former WBO heavyweight title challenger, Jeremy “Half-Man, Half-Amazing” Williams (3-0 MMA record), challenges NABF cruiserweight champion Matt “Too Smooth” Godfrey in the 12-round main event. Godfrey (16-0, 9 KOs), now training in Hartford with his new trainer John Scully, recently became the No. 1 rated contender in the World Boxing Council. Godfrey, also ranked No. 4 by the International Boxing Federation and No. 6 by the World Boxing Association, meets his toughest opponent in Williams (42-5-1, 35 KOs), fighting out of Long Beach (CA).

    “Pinnacle FiteNite: The Heat’s On In Hartford,” promoted by Jimmy Burchfield’s Classic Entertainment, Inc. (CES), in association with Sports Entertainment & Media, Inc., will be taped live and air on dates and times to be determined across the country on numerous Comcast regional stations including Comcast West, American One Network, Cox Network in Rhode Island, Fight Network in Canada, Sports Net New York, GTV in Africa, as well as internationally on KOTV. Pinnacle FiteNite is produced by 21 Lakes and distributed by Integrated Sports. Award-winning Al Bernstein will handle the blow-by-blow duties, while former NFL placekicker Benny Ricardo and unbeaten heavyweight “Baby” Joe Mesi will be the color commentators.

    Lauzon (7-2 in MMA), fighting out of East Bridgewater (MA), is the youngest UFC fighter of all-time having made his debut at the age of 18 years, 5 months and 14 days. His older brother, Joe, starred in The Ultimate Fighter 5 television reality series and rates as one of UFC’s top 15-pounder fighters. Dan specializes in the disciplines of wrestling and jiu-jitsu in MMA.
    “The biggest difference between boxing and MMA is the take-down factor,” Lauzon explained. “In boxing, you can plant your feet and throw good punches, but in MMA you can’t stand in the pocket because you’re concerned about take-downs. I’ve been an MMA fighter six years, the last two I’ve boxed, and I’ve been a lot more comfortable in MMA. But I feel comfortable boxing now and that’s why I’m making my pro debut. I don’t mind standing and throwing punches. I think you’ll see a lot more boxers crossing over to MMA than UFC fighters getting into boxing, I’m not really concerned with this fight and I’m looking forward to it. I’m ready to stay in the pocket and throw bombs.”
     
  8. mario

    mario Member Full Member

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    i agree, i like mma but it seems to be something anyone (not everyone)can just about do when dedicated, the talent pool is thin though in mma, boxing to me and the ability to take punishment to the head is something that makes me think a real boxer is a pure specimen, all most superhuman, i just think it takes more to be a boxer thats inate within the fighter and something for the most part you can't teach, the ability to take punishment, the peripherial vision, alertness, etc. mma dudes are fierce but more contrived and built up, it takes a seriously talented athlete to box or do mma but i think a guy who can for the most part can't get hurt when hit to a guy who can possibly get hurt alot easier is just a better fighter
     
  9. Zhaakal

    Zhaakal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That UFC **** is just some broke bums fighting each other hopeing to make some cash. There realy isn't any skill needed in UFC, the guy who is stronger and gets the lucky punch in wins.
     
  10. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But the thing is, when you mix all aspects of martial arts, you really can't find out whether one specific style is the best. That's why it's "mixed martial arts". Each style has some specific train of thought into their art. So naturally, one style will be better for a specific type of fighting while being weaker in other aspects.

    For instance, take tae kwon do. It relies a lot on kicks. But in a real street fight, that won't be very useful because the way they kick, they leave themselves vulnerable while kicking and you can take these guys down easily. But in the specific sport of just scoring points while kicking, these guys have no peer.

    If you watch some of the youtube fights between styles, it shows. You see a tae kwon do guy fighting a kickboxer and the kickboxer always takes the tae kwon do guy down as soon as he starts kicking. Why? Because kickboxing stresses take downs with your legs and it's a lot more useful in street fights. They also stress knees and elbows. It's a lot more useful in a brawl. Tae kown do is more spcialized.

    But i agree that MMA is fun to watch when two highly skilled fighters go at it. Then you can see the intricate chess match going on. If you leave your arm or leg open in a bad position, a good MMA fighter will be able to submit you. That's when it's fun to watch. But there just aren't too many guys this skilled.
     
  11. BoardBULLY

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    ufc guys are more complete fighters, but boxers are tougher. its just the nature of the sport.

    Every mma guy will say who wins in a street fight in a controlled environment. Of course, mma guys wins cuz theyll take the fight to the ground everytime. But what they dotn understand is, street fights and mma is very different. Being in an Uncontrolled environemtn makes it so.
     
  12. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Please don't coment on MMA again !! Its far from a street fight !
     
  13. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well thats kinda the whole point of MMA when it started. To see which martial art is the best for a straight up 1-1 unarmed combat. The first versions of MMA where as close to a real streetfight as there ever was in an orangised events, now theres added rules to make it safer but its still by far the closest thing to a 1-1 fight. Its not about scoring points, if your martial art is only good at scoring points but aint worth shite in the real thing then that is your downfall. Lets be real, guys who practiced taek kwon do will claim they can beat up karate guys, karate guys claim they can beat boxers, wrestler claiming they can beat up boxers. All MMA did was say "prove it", get in the ring, you use your own arts and fight.

    At the end of it all people discovered something that was realised long ago by probably a few but most notably none other more than Bruce Lee. Heck even Bruce lee, the kung fu kid claimed from the start 2 years of boxing and wrestling would be enough to beat up on a kungfu black belt. And he was right.

    There is definitely skills involed in MMA, the skill is that of the ability to beat up your opponent using all your weapons. Grappling, fists, kicks etc.
     
  14. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rampage would get dropped with one right hand from Wlad, he never felt power like that before.
     
  15. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    Yes, I agree there are lot of guys in there who wrestled in high school and not much more. However, you get these kinds of guys in boxing as well. Both sports have their own top crop, its just that there are more of those guys in boxing. MMA is still a fairly new sport.