MMA, looking like a bit of a joke right now?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by moreorless, Nov 21, 2010.


  1. moreorless

    moreorless Active Member Full Member

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    Notice I ddint say "terrible events" but rather unsatisfactory ones where the quality of the action, the level of competision, the hype or the judging made them less than satisfying.

    I'd say its less a case of "stealing" WWE fans and more a case of targetting the same demographic with similar methods. I don't think its a coincidense that Brocks sucess in the UFC came about 4-5 years after his time in the WWE, alot of young teens who were watching on TV back then and have since grown out of pro wrestling are now potential PPV buyers.

    Its no secret that Dana has been trying to emulate Vince's business model either, he's openly come out and admited it. Not in terms of fake fights or pryo displays but the creation of a self contained and largely self promoted enviroment that makes the brand stronger, allows for greater control of the fanbase/fighters and makes it much harder for any rival to compete with him.

    Yeah thats much the way I see it, the UFC devolped a cash cow and there not keen to make any changes. As with the WWF/E I think its a mistake to believe that sucess is going to last indefinately, unsatisfactory events cannot be covered by brand loyalty forever.

    I disagree as to the quality of action though, really classic fights have been hard to come by in the UFC over recent years and perhaps more importantly big matches that turn into classic fights have been even rarer(Randy/Nog is the only one that springs to mind). Alot of the "evolution" of the sport has IMHO not actually been an improvement in technique as its been hyped but rather a move towards fighters exploting the enviroment to win boring decisions.
     
  2. I agree!!!!
     
  3. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    You douchebags finally made it to my ignore list. I've wasted too much time on you already.
     
  4. gyll

    gyll Undetectable Full Member

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    I have no complaints other than clear robberies or bad judging. We are getting good matchmaking and that says a lot. Dana knows what the fans want and he delivers. Of course it would be even better for the fans if he can co-promote with Strikeforce. But all things considered the business of MMA is not as frustrating as Boxing. I'm not here to diminish either sport. Just saying - it's a lot easier to pay full attention to one sport when ideal matches are made.
     
  5. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    imo it's just the judging, man. Pride rules until I die, except for soccer kicks, that **** is just mean. And stop with the goddamn elbows, alright? Florian and Jon Jones are ruining ****. It's not a gift to have sharp elbows, they cut their opponents too easily and too harsh and ruin the fights. Also, stop with the ****ing "knuckle in the eye, carry on" bull****, alright? Guy got poked in the ****ing eye, it should be a time out no matter what, it's not his fault he can't ****ing see. Stupid dumbass rule.
     
  6. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones hasn't stopped anybody due to cuts. He overwhelmed Vlad, broke Vera's face, and was DQ'd against Hammill.
     
  7. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    I felt his elbow to Vera ruined the fight and really, shouldn't have been legal and the Hammill thing speaks for itself. It's a controversial opinion, I'm sure, I just don't support elbows. It's on the same line of biting to me.
     
  8. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The injury that Vera sustained could have easily been caused by a knee, kick, or even punches. And the elbows that he used on Hamill are already illegal, so they aren't really relevant.
     
  9. Flash Jab

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    I'm not disputing the injury couldn't have been caused by anything like that, but it's a lot less likely. It can't be a coincidence Jones lands a killer elbow and Vera's face is broken. It just kind of... was a bit anti-climactic. There's not a real lot you can do when you're mounted and a guy decides to elbow you in the ****ing face, man. Knees I'm totally cool with. You're not likely to land knees in a mount position. If you get caught with one of those, its your own fault. Elbow's are too dangerous and sharp.
     
  10. zarman

    zarman Guest

    they need all fights to be 5 rounds and to make 10/8 rounds more common instead of only dominating rounds
     
  11. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    I agree with no elbows on the ground, standing elbows I think should be allowed.

    strikeforce I believe has no elbows on the ground.
     
  12. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Valetudo rule all the ****in way up !
     
  13. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see nothing cheap or unfair about this.

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    It's not like we are seeing an influx of fights ending in this fashion. You can't just ban a technique because a select few use it to devastating effect.
     
  14. moreorless

    moreorless Active Member Full Member

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    The problem is that the "bad judging" is actually having a big impact not just on the results but much of the action we see with guys like Maynard clearly looking to exploit it.

    I'd contend that rather than giving the fans what they want Dana is actually very good at telling the fans what they want. He's also very good at distracting attension away from the inevitabley disapointing fights such unrealistic hype creates(Lesnar is the baddest man on the planet, Rashad is going to try and finish Rampage, Crocop is back! etc).

    The UFC's self promoted nature and an ineffectual fawning MMA media make it much easier to do that in comparison with boxing. Just look at Haye/Harrison for example, highly criticiszed before and after it happened by large sections of the media/fanbase where as something like Randy/Toney is let slide(and mysteriously sanctioned in the first place).

    Beyond the rules/judging/tactics I'd say a large part of the problem is that Zuffa often arent willing to accomodate the demands of the more entertaining fighters. They clearly have the best roster in the sport but its noticble to me that they have far fewer of the really entertaining fighters than you'd expect. If its a choice between signing Maynard and paying him $5 to start with or signing Alvarez and paying him $25K then they tend to go for the former and use their influence over the fans and the strenght of the brand to sell him.