Mobility or accuracy? Which Wins? Wilder/Fury II

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Leeroy84, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Tankatron

    Tankatron Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 1, 2014
    Wilder has decent accuracy on relatively stationary targets which Fury isn't. If anyone's likely to improve, it's Fury. Wilder hasn't the balls to change anything at this stage of his career. He'll continue to use the same training methods and will rely solely on his one trump card, the right hand. He might try feinting initially and trying the jab more to set things up but, the more he hits thin air through the first third of the fight, the more panic stricken he'll become.

    It'll be deja vu all over again with Wilder flapping away at shadows, I actually see a fitter, better conditioned Fury stopping Wilder next time. Prior to the first fight, I honestly thought Fury would get flattened as it was to soon into his comeback, hell even Wilder and his team were duped and it was very nearly a cherry pick gone wrong.
    Fury obviously saw just how utterly ****ing useless a boxer Wilder is. No clowning or showboating the second time round and Fury wins without too much trouble.
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  2. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

    Nov 24, 2013
    Wilder can improve his power if he puts on some damn weight.

    As far as accuracy? GO to the body Deonkey, to me it's an easy thing to implement in his training camp.
    Too bad he has a low ring IQ.
  3. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Member Full Member

    May 7, 2016
    So after 41 fights, how come Wilder hasn't learned to box better?? Setting traps, head movement etc, he needs to improve somehow!
    Is DW plain stupid? Or maybe he's stubborn?? Or both?? Is it Jay Deas fault for just hanging off his coat tails and not forcing the issue??
    Why has it got this bad?? Would any other HW champ of the last 25 years lose as many round to an unfit Fury as Wilder did??
    To me it's obvious the lad can hit (when he connects) but he isn't anywhere nearly as skilled as the top 10 across the board imho
    I'd respect him more if he learnt the art of the sport he says he's the greatest in the world at....
    Or at least tried

    Where does DW go from here??
  4. MR6666

    MR6666 New Member Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Do we really think Fury can improve that much for the 2nd fight tho ? I truly believe Deontay has figured him out and will hurt him badly in the rematch as i really can't see Fury being able to keep him off over the course of the fight - He will tire and that right hand will detonate on his chin once again and don't see Deontay jumping up and down on the ropes again but this time going in for the kill should Fury get up.
  5. Badboy87

    Badboy87 Member Full Member

    Jan 29, 2019
    Just like aj, plenty room for improvement, starting with coming off the drugs mind you he prob deflate to bantamweight
  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    i got no love for aj, but i see nothing unnatural about his development. i dont know if there is any more concrete proof of him doping, but im not up to date on all his story. yes, aj has lots of room for improvement, but he has less overall weaknesses than all the other players at hw.
  7. Badboy87

    Badboy87 Member Full Member

    Jan 29, 2019
    Weaker chin most definitely you’ll see that next time he gets a clout
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    could be, these are some big men punching his head, but im not overly impressed with tysons or wilders chin either. pretty much a wash for me there.
  9. Badboy87

    Badboy87 Member Full Member

    Jan 29, 2019
    Little man Povetkin wobbled that growth chin, so even feather fisted fury would do 96% more damage & wilder 98% more damage trust me Forbes magazine doesn’t predict p45 for nothing
  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    to be honest, i havent really chewed on these match ups much. all three have so many holes that a case can be made for any one of them to end up on top. but from my limited analysis, aj is the best of the bunch. hopefully we wont have to wait too long to find out whos who. i will give a more detailed prediction of an outcome if they ever sign to fight, i will study some tape then.
    i posted that before the wilder fight, i still dont think fury is better than i thought, but i did give him credit after the fight for performing better than i said he would.
  11. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member Full Member

    Mar 6, 2018
    No, he doesn't have that thudding power like Foreman had, for example. His power is based on his leverage and speed, he has that snappy explosive power in his shots. If he puts on weight, his power actually diminishes, since you become slower with added weight. Why do you think he keeps coming in lighter and lighter as his opposition is getting better? Because he knows that he can't box, so he's maximizing his power.
  12. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    Wilder figured nothing out, the reason Fury got caught both times was because of his own stupidity.
  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    He can definitely improve, he'd only been back 6 months from over 2.5 years of inactivity and was about 10lbs above his best weight. A leaner Fury won't tire as much in the later rounds which is why he got caught late twice. He was caught ducking both times but he only resorts to that when he can't maintain distance, a fitter Fury will move even more than the first fight, especially late on and give Wilder fewer opportunities to land.

    As for Wilder figuring him out, the final knockdown came because one Fury got complacent and two he finally started throwing the right straight, something his trainer had been begging him to do from the middle rounds if not sooner. Breland himself has said Wilder refuses to listen to him, Wilder is a fighter who's gotten so used to his power bailing him out he's neglected other parts of his game and has a mindset focused only on getting the KO. If he's to do better 2nd time around he'll need to do a complete U-turn in regards to his philosophy on boxing and listen to his trainers. Maybe he can learn from his previous mistakes but that's a big ask, Fury just needs to repeat what he did before with a few adjustments while Wilder needs to basically overnight make up for a decade of neglecting his boxing skills and not relying solely on power.
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  14. Alphafighter

    Alphafighter Active Member banned Full Member

    Dec 4, 2017
    As long as Wilder has that equalizer, I refuse to rule him out of any fight in history regardless of how far behind he is in the fight and he nearly pulled it off against Fury

    If anything Fury will have to fight the perfect fight and quit the clowning around in the ring